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Re: Sinclair Made Dozens of Local News Anchors Recite the Same Script

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Post by Consultant32452 » Mon, Apr 02, 2018, 4:38 PM UTC

KirinDave wrote: post #61

Consultant32452 wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's easy if you just blindly accept the axioms of one of the groups. You accept the axioms of left wingers, so it doesn't seem scary to you. I'm not a right winger but they could just as easily say: murdering millions of unborn children, robbing us of our right to defend ourselves, denying the right to freedom of association, infringing on our freedom of speech, infringing on our freedom of religion, etc. Those are…

> robbing us of our right to defend ourselves Well, the problem with that narrative is that most of the center-left is quite happy to find a comprimise. It seems like arms dealers are too, actually. It's mostly the NRA unable to disengage its PR machine from collapsing the entire narrative to "you'll take our guns" vs "total gun freedom". So that itself is a good thing to bring up: it's impossible to disassemble with…

* Noting I'm arguing someone else's position. *

>Well, the problem with that narrative is that most of the center-left is quite happy to find a comprimise. It seems like arms dealers are too, actually. It's mostly the NRA unable to disengage its PR machine from collapsing the entire narrative to "you'll take our guns" vs "total gun freedom".

You too are collapsing the narrative to "NRA is evil." The power that the NRA has is that it can mobilize countless voters who support what the NRA does. Pretending that the NRA is a rogue organization that doesn't represent a huge segment of the population is disingenuous.

>A centrist or even a libertarian should have no problem picking their poison in the marketplace of ideas, unless they're genuinely bought into these increasingly absurd conspiracy theories that put 9/11-truther levels of weird to shame.

Tell me again how Trump is a fascist and neo-Nazis are taking over the country. And further that Trump who bombed the shit out of a major Russian ally (Syria) is under the thumb of Russia because of pee-pee tape in the same breath that you make fun of Trump for being a germaphobe (part of why he eats so much fast food).

Re: Sinclair Made Dozens of Local News Anchors Recite the Same Script

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Post by digitaltrees » Mon, Apr 02, 2018, 4:38 PM UTC

robotrout wrote: post #83

thaumaturgy wrote: post #80

Trump recently took DACA off the negotiating table, announcing it in a tweet, citing a Fox News & Friends segment on 'caravans' of inbound immigrants: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-immigration/trump-say... The President is watching this same garbage and making policy decisions based on it. Let that sink in for a moment.

If you watched the state of the union, you know that Trump made a proposal about DACA that was such a huge compromise to the left, that much of his base raised hell. The left refused that compromise, and refused again, when he asked for DACA and the wall to be addressed in the latest spending bill. Since he has twice been rebuffed on his compromises, he's going the other way. That seems reasonable to me.

Didn't Democrats offer to fund the boarder wall in exchange for a DACA bill? What more compromise is there?

Re: Sinclair Made Dozens of Local News Anchors Recite the Same Script

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Post by wanderer2323 » Mon, Apr 02, 2018, 4:38 PM UTC

Bud wrote: post #117

meri_dian wrote: post #95

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CNN doesn't stand up and say "we're devoting our reporting resources to all things anti Trump, this is our bias, it's not secret". They simply report the news they choose to report. Just like Sinclair. People watch the news hoping to get an accurate depiction of reality. When only one side of a multifaceted situation is reported on, the depiction becomes distorted. It's never OK to do this, regardless of whose side y…

This actually isn't remotely comparable to what Sinclair is doing. Not remotely. I am tempted to say that you know it's not comparable and that you're simply outright lying, but I'll restrain myself, and instead just note that you're completely and outrageously incorrect. CNN is not dictating what its personnel report and it's certainly not coordinating forced fake "reporting" in unison by dozens of TV stations, or f…

>CNN is not dictating what its personnel report

this is incredibly naive.

>it's certainly not coordinating forced fake "reporting"

CNN itself may not be the coordination center, but leftist media does coordinate its reporting, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JournoList

Re: Sinclair Made Dozens of Local News Anchors Recite the Same Script

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Post by bradleyankrom » Mon, Apr 02, 2018, 4:40 PM UTC

dahdum wrote: post #139

ModernMech wrote: post #103

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I remember Trump saying he would sign literally any immigration deal brought to him by a bipartisan group, and when they did what he asked he rejected it, thanks to Stephen Miller. Then Chuck Schumer basically told Trump to name how much he wanted for the wall, which Trump refused to do. Then the government shut down and Trump relished in blaming Democrats. > The left refused that compromise Why was a compromised nee…

Democrats should be willing to compromise because they value the DACA fix more than their opposition to border funding. They are instead doing the same thing Republicans did to Obama, refusing to compromise in order to whip up their base. Any politician that compromises an inch these days will be portrayed as an immoral enemy and attacked by some vocal part of their own base.

Ds were gonna give him ALL of the border wall money that he wanted - like $25B - and he still backed out.

Re: Sinclair Made Dozens of Local News Anchors Recite the Same Script

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Post by state_less » Mon, Apr 02, 2018, 4:41 PM UTC

ModernMech wrote: post #107

meri_dian wrote: post #95

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CNN doesn't stand up and say "we're devoting our reporting resources to all things anti Trump, this is our bias, it's not secret". They simply report the news they choose to report. Just like Sinclair. People watch the news hoping to get an accurate depiction of reality. When only one side of a multifaceted situation is reported on, the depiction becomes distorted. It's never OK to do this, regardless of whose side y…

All news is based. Anyone telling you otherwise (that they are fair and balanced and unbiased) is lying to you. I don't need CNN to explicitly tell me their biases, because they are not my only source of news. It's not CNN's job to make sure i get unbiased news. It my job to make sense of biased news and weave it into a consistent mental model of the world. This let's me do things like watch CNN and Fox News and reco…

> All news is based.

The truth isn't biased, so if the news reports the truth, "x said y" and we have evidence that x said y, then it is not biased and therefore all new is NOT biased.

Re: Sinclair Made Dozens of Local News Anchors Recite the Same Script

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Post by [deleted] » Mon, Apr 02, 2018, 4:41 PM UTC

meri_dian wrote: post #87

robotrout wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you watched the state of the union, you know that Trump made a proposal about DACA that was such a huge compromise to the left, that much of his base raised hell. The left refused that compromise, and refused again, when he asked for DACA and the wall to be addressed in the latest spending bill. Since he has twice been rebuffed on his compromises, he's going the other way. That seems reasonable to me.

It's sad that the congressional Democracts are so focused on damaging Trump politically that they are unwilling to compromise on border security funding to produce a permanent DACA solution. As you say, Trump gave it to them on a silver platter!

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Re: Sinclair Made Dozens of Local News Anchors Recite the Same Script

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Post by ravenstine » Mon, Apr 02, 2018, 4:42 PM UTC

ModernMech wrote: post #107

meri_dian wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

CNN doesn't stand up and say "we're devoting our reporting resources to all things anti Trump, this is our bias, it's not secret". They simply report the news they choose to report. Just like Sinclair. People watch the news hoping to get an accurate depiction of reality. When only one side of a multifaceted situation is reported on, the depiction becomes distorted. It's never OK to do this, regardless of whose side y…

All news is based. Anyone telling you otherwise (that they are fair and balanced and unbiased) is lying to you. I don't need CNN to explicitly tell me their biases, because they are not my only source of news. It's not CNN's job to make sure i get unbiased news. It my job to make sense of biased news and weave it into a consistent mental model of the world. This let's me do things like watch CNN and Fox News and reco…

If all news is biased, why bother watching any it?

Re: Sinclair Made Dozens of Local News Anchors Recite the Same Script

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Post by robotrout » Mon, Apr 02, 2018, 4:42 PM UTC

digitaltrees wrote: post #152

robotrout wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you watched the state of the union, you know that Trump made a proposal about DACA that was such a huge compromise to the left, that much of his base raised hell. The left refused that compromise, and refused again, when he asked for DACA and the wall to be addressed in the latest spending bill. Since he has twice been rebuffed on his compromises, he's going the other way. That seems reasonable to me.

Didn't Democrats offer to fund the boarder wall in exchange for a DACA bill? What more compromise is there?

No, they did not. Trump's offer was made for the nation to hear, during the State of the Union. You should watch it again.

Re: Sinclair Made Dozens of Local News Anchors Recite the Same Script

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Post by ams6110 » Mon, Apr 02, 2018, 4:43 PM UTC

wanderer2323 wrote: post #141

nitrogen wrote: post #88

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Instead of derailing with "you too", can we focus on one thing at a time? National news programs are a separate issue from secretly biased local news.

That's not derailing, you are trying to split hairs to stifle discussion. Global media is pretty clearly biased against the current administration. It seems that Sinclair is the asymmetrical response. Discussing them in the larger context of the US news is completely valid.

It's hilarious. Just like Facebook privacy issues only blew up when it might have benefited Trump, but it was fine when Obama used that data (on a much larger scale), it's funny that NYT is suddenly paying attention to this coordinated reporting campaign when they and the national TV media parrot Media Matters all day, every day. It's easy to find a dozen examples of national TV talking heads all using the same phrases and vocabulary to report on some pro-left or anti-right issue.

Re: Sinclair Made Dozens of Local News Anchors Recite the Same Script

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Post by creaghpatr » Mon, Apr 02, 2018, 4:44 PM UTC

philipodonnell wrote: post #108

It seems like the issue is a lack of competition, if I don't like what Sinclair is saying I can not watch it, but if they own all the stations then I don't have that choice. The FCC did all this while everyone was distracted with net neutrality, so even if it came up again there the FCC knows how to distract people already. I'm just not sure what I as a viewer/voter can do about except wait for the next election, and…

>or if the merger with Tribune Media goes through?

That's the whole reason this is a story. The viral clip was assembled by far-left think tank ThinkProgress to attempt to torpedo the merger by stirring up public outcry.

And of course, the mainstream media, who indirectly compete against these local stations, is happy to support these efforts.