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Blueprint of a distributed social network on IPFS, and its problems

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Re: Blueprint of a distributed social network on IPFS, and its problems

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Any thoughts on Mastodon[1][2]? I think "federated" is the term for its model, moreso than "decentralized" (?). [1] https://joinmastodon.org [2] https://instances.social/list/old

That's the right word. (General note) Federated is a bit different from decentralised. For example, email is federated, but not decentralised. In a federated network, if "your service providing server" is down (like gmail.com), then you don't have service, though others on other parts of the network would continue to have service. With a decent sized network, there is no "your service providing server" and other mach…

edit: I meant "decentralized network" and not "decent sized network" .. as auto-correct decided.

Re: Blueprint of a distributed social network on IPFS, and its problems

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I like this model, but there's still a bit of unwelcome friction there, at least in Mastodon and Matrix: your identity is tied to your home server. That could be solved by a robust way of confirming that 2 identities are the same person: so all traffic for user@example.horse is also directed to user@example.golf and vice-versa. Coming at the same sort of thing from a distributed approach (I'm thinking of Scuttlebutt)…

Red Matrix, a descendant of friendica, not to be confused with matrix, solves this with portable profiles. The account is tied to an instance, but your profile is liberated: https://redmatrix.info/help/accounts_profiles_channels_basic...

Checked out Red Matrix, and it instantly fulfills the worst tendency of alternative decentralized social networks. Centralized social media takes on the moderation in a way that typically leads to the banning of racist and toxic groups and those groups are often the first to set up shop in the censorship resistant alternstives. The very first landing page of Redmatrix takes you to the Aryan Nation Radio community and a bunch of antisemitic and racist content. This is a major turnoff to anyone pursuing alternatives and while I support free speech and think even the worst of humanity should have a home to be terrible with each other, figuring out how to keep this off the home page is probably a good idea to get these alternatives into the adoption phase.

Re: Blueprint of a distributed social network on IPFS, and its problems

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Red Matrix, a descendant of friendica, not to be confused with matrix, solves this with portable profiles. The account is tied to an instance, but your profile is liberated: https://redmatrix.info/help/accounts_profiles_channels_basic...

Checked out Red Matrix, and it instantly fulfills the worst tendency of alternative decentralized social networks. Centralized social media takes on the moderation in a way that typically leads to the banning of racist and toxic groups and those groups are often the first to set up shop in the censorship resistant alternstives. The very first landing page of Redmatrix takes you to the Aryan Nation Radio community and…

Wow, I did not realize this. Thanks for the 'heads up'.

I had a similar experience with ZeroNet where extremist groups swiftly occupied the ground and toxified the budding discussions.

So in conclusion, are the idiots keeping us from having a decent solution for a social network?

Re: Blueprint of a distributed social network on IPFS, and its problems

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I like this model, but there's still a bit of unwelcome friction there, at least in Mastodon and Matrix: your identity is tied to your home server. That could be solved by a robust way of confirming that 2 identities are the same person: so all traffic for user@example.horse is also directed to user@example.golf and vice-versa. Coming at the same sort of thing from a distributed approach (I'm thinking of Scuttlebutt)…

IIRC people on mastodon are working on making an identity independent of the home server so you can migrate elsewhere. I don't think subscribing to moderation is particularly useful, I considered such an approach at some point but the approach fragments the network too much (IMO)

Scuttlebutt isn't designed to be a single network, so at least there fragmentation is not a problem.

See [Against Consensus](https://www.scuttlebutt.nz/principles.html).

Re: Blueprint of a distributed social network on IPFS, and its problems

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Checked out Red Matrix, and it instantly fulfills the worst tendency of alternative decentralized social networks. Centralized social media takes on the moderation in a way that typically leads to the banning of racist and toxic groups and those groups are often the first to set up shop in the censorship resistant alternstives. The very first landing page of Redmatrix takes you to the Aryan Nation Radio community and…

Wow, I did not realize this. Thanks for the 'heads up'. I had a similar experience with ZeroNet where extremist groups swiftly occupied the ground and toxified the budding discussions. So in conclusion, are the idiots keeping us from having a decent solution for a social network?

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Re: Blueprint of a distributed social network on IPFS, and its problems

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I believe we should look to the human brain to discover how it filters out noise; then try to replicate in our human-scale networks.

> then try to replicate in our human-scale networks. Human scale networks are small. Our brains can only handle a few hundred people in our social circle, maybe up to 1,000.

The flow of information through the internet mimics the flow of information through the human brain.
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