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Sinclair Made Dozens of Local News Anchors Recite the Same Script

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Post by creaghpatr »

bradleyankrom wrote: post #97
robotrout wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you watched the state of the union, you know that Trump made a proposal about DACA that was such a huge compromise to the left, that much of his base raised hell. The left refused that compromise, and refused again, when he asked for DACA and the wall to be addressed in the latest spending bill. Since he has twice been rebuffed on his compromises, he's going the other way. That seems reasonable to me.

I don't think very many left-of-center people would agree with your assertion that it was a "huge" compromise. They wanted tens of billions of dollars for a symbolic wall, closing of several legal immigration processes, etc. There are several DACA fixes sitting in congress but Republican leadership refuses to bring any of them up for a vote.

>They wanted tens of billions of dollars for a symbolic wall

In fact the wall would have been physical, rather than 'symbolic'

Re: Sinclair Made Dozens of Local News Anchors Recite the Same Script

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Post by robotrout »

mintplant wrote: post #98
robotrout wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would flag your post if I could. Your provocative statements are not productive and are off-topic. You are obviously some sort of activist. This is not the place for it. From your bio: " You call it "alt-left", I proudly call it "Antifa".

I imagine this is why you lost your flagging power, then. "You are obviously some sort of activist" is not a valid justification for removing someone from the discourse.

Not sure I ever had flagging power. I have never desired to flag anybody before now. If you want HN to degrade into rabid political name-calling, don't flag the people who do it. This person took the opportunity to level multiple refutable accusations at Trump, on a topic that had nothing to do with Trump. Would you rather I had engaged him at his level?

Re: Sinclair Made Dozens of Local News Anchors Recite the Same Script

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Post by meri_dian »

dguaraglia wrote: post #105
meri_dian wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is that any different from major news organizations like CNN with a national reach clearly pushing biased anti-Trump news constantly? It's funny: Trump attacks CNN for being fake, biased news, then CNN responds by focusing all of their negative reporting on Trump, becoming exactly what Trump says they are. People would have had much more respect for CNN if they had stuck to the middle path in the face of Trump's…

Well, for one: CNN isn't getting a sweet new FCC head honcho to shape policy to benefit them. Second: do you understand the difference between a free press and a propaganda machine, right? One goes against the government's views, the other one pushes it.

"One goes against the government's views, the other one pushes it."

No, that's not it.

A free press is "free" because it's unconstrained by a Government or capricious regulation, not because it "goes against the government's views". Sometimes members of a free press will support the government, other times they won't.

It's not a priori virtuous to go against the Government's views. Sometimes the Government is right and sometimes it's not. Like everyone else.

Re: Sinclair Made Dozens of Local News Anchors Recite the Same Script

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Post by dguaraglia »

robotrout wrote: post #83
thaumaturgy wrote: post #80

Trump recently took DACA off the negotiating table, announcing it in a tweet, citing a Fox News & Friends segment on 'caravans' of inbound immigrants: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-immigration/trump-say... The President is watching this same garbage and making policy decisions based on it. Let that sink in for a moment.

If you watched the state of the union, you know that Trump made a proposal about DACA that was such a huge compromise to the left, that much of his base raised hell. The left refused that compromise, and refused again, when he asked for DACA and the wall to be addressed in the latest spending bill. Since he has twice been rebuffed on his compromises, he's going the other way. That seems reasonable to me.

If you believe anything Trump says during a speech, then you are doing it wrong. Always look at the man's actions, instead of paying attention to his words.

Re: Sinclair Made Dozens of Local News Anchors Recite the Same Script

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Post by ModernMech »

dahdum wrote: post #101
robotrout wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you watched the state of the union, you know that Trump made a proposal about DACA that was such a huge compromise to the left, that much of his base raised hell. The left refused that compromise, and refused again, when he asked for DACA and the wall to be addressed in the latest spending bill. Since he has twice been rebuffed on his compromises, he's going the other way. That seems reasonable to me.

I was surprised Democrats didn’t compromise on that, I think they are too focused on making Trump fail at any cost. I’m all for increased immigration and amnesty, but I’m not in support of open borders, so a compromise for increased border security sounded like good policy to me.

No one is seriously proposing open boarders. Anyone on the right telling you otherwise is selling you a straw man. And let's all remember, a border without a wall is not an "open" border. That's not what that means.

Re: Sinclair Made Dozens of Local News Anchors Recite the Same Script

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Post by robotrout »

iron0013 wrote: post #104
robotrout wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would flag your post if I could. Your provocative statements are not productive and are off-topic. You are obviously some sort of activist. This is not the place for it. From your bio: " You call it "alt-left", I proudly call it "Antifa".

I'm confused, what's wrong with being anti-fascist? I'm definitely anti-fascist, aren't you?

You are in fact, fascist. Antifa uses thuggery and intimidation. When you can't do it physically, you do it via off-topic posts on the internet. I have personally witnessed the behavior of your compatriots on the street. You are brown shirts in a different uniform.

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Post by Bud »

meri_dian wrote: post #95
nitrogen wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Instead of derailing with "you too", can we focus on one thing at a time? National news programs are a separate issue from secretly biased local news.

CNN doesn't stand up and say "we're devoting our reporting resources to all things anti Trump, this is our bias, it's not secret". They simply report the news they choose to report. Just like Sinclair. People watch the news hoping to get an accurate depiction of reality. When only one side of a multifaceted situation is reported on, the depiction becomes distorted. It's never OK to do this, regardless of whose side y…

This actually isn't remotely comparable to what Sinclair is doing. Not remotely. I am tempted to say that you know it's not comparable and that you're simply outright lying, but I'll restrain myself, and instead just note that you're completely and outrageously incorrect.

CNN is not dictating what its personnel report and it's certainly not coordinating forced fake "reporting" in unison by dozens of TV stations, or forcing anyone to air Sebastian Gorka, etc.

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Post by ModernMech »

analogmemory wrote: post #94

Last Week Tonight (John Oliver) dove into this last year. It's really frustrating that they can leverage so much political sway under the cover of "news reporting". Then forcing news stations to broadcast this garbage. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvtNyOzGogc

He did a follow up last night with this new development.

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Post by mistermann »

losteric wrote: post #100
robotrout wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cite it? Fake News has been his mantra for awhile. I think you'll find it.

I don't see how "fake news" relates to media monopolization. It's just a fallacious outright rejection of unpleasant news. In fact, Trump just stated he supports Sinclair's monopolization.

Monopolization is highly beneficial to facilitating fake news, you don't see that?

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Post by dguaraglia »

pdx wrote: post #64
steamer25 wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's ironic (cue pedants) because they're denouncing one-sided presentations that advance a particular agenda while using a facade of ostensibly independent-minded locals that are actually mouthpieces for their remote overlords. It betrays that their indignation isn't so much over dangers to democracy as it is their loosening grip on the ability to frame the discussion of any given day. https://youtu.be/TRBppdC1h_Y h…

Except they're not "mouth pieces". Local journalists are much more independent than national ones. This instance by Sinclair of attempting to combat the national news broadcasters was a David vs Goliath attempt, and they are coming out of it much worse than David did.

Please explain how "independent" they are, in the context of them being forced to repeat a script from Sinclair news. I'm not even sure how you can miss the contradiction.
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