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Re: The End of Windows

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Post by Micoloth »

blinkingled wrote: post #156

It isn't really the end of Windows - it's the end of Windows' dominance of Microsoft mindshare. Windows 10 was the giant step in that direction - an always updating, maintenance mode, single OS that MS will need to support. Arguably until Win 7 dies out they won't be entirely there but once they are, maintaining Windows is a much simpler affair than yesteryears. None of this means Windows itself is dying - it only me…

They also will never drop windows because it's probably gonna be an extremely useful platform when the next generations of devices will come up, think of AR.

The fact that they dropped the mobile market (where windows could not fit as very different hardware was involved in the beginning) doesn't mean they will miss the next shot too.

They will have an entire ecosystem up and running, and windows 10- level flexible to be tailored to whatever comes. Of course it would be crazy for them to drop it now

Re: The End of Windows

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Post by dblohm7 »

Micoloth wrote: post #194
asveikau wrote: post #33

I still can't wrap my head around everything that was wrongheaded about Windows 8, and I was working there for most of its dev cycle. One wonders what would have happened if they just sort of let Windows be Windows. I.e. if they had continued iterating on core stuff but left UI and general philosophy resembling Win7's trajectory and not tried to force people into WinRT/UWP/store. Even though Win10 attempted correctiv…

>immature and unproven technology Wasn't old windows desktop technology the one proven to be bad? I mean I can say this because I like windows, but people have made fun of windows bugs and viruses for three decades now.. Granted, Windows Store still sucks ass years later its introduction, but building a new ecosystem with unified and modern tooling was probably a necessary step for them to make

>Wasn't old windows desktop technology the one proven to be bad? I mean I can say this because I like windows, but people have made fun of windows bugs and viruses for three decades now.

A lot of that stuff could have been (and is now being) fixed incrementally. Lots of that tech is available to Windows desktop applications without needing to switch to UWP. Some of it is UWP only (except for a backstage pass for Edge, which tells you everything you need to know) only to push developers to the Store.

Re: The End of Windows

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Post by ynniv »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #188
ynniv wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're thinking about your own app servers. No one cares about the cost of Windows when you're running someone else's proprietary desktop software on it.

> No one cares about the cost of Windows when you're running someone else's proprietary desktop software on it This is a small and shrinking corner of the market. Valuable. But still a corner.

It may be shrinking, but it isn't small.

Re: The End of Windows

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Post by AnIdiotOnTheNet »

yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #162
AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #104

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Yeah sure, let's not wonder why maybe developers don't want to develop for your platform or anything.

...because Microsoft is good at marketing, has no ethics, and successfully leveraged its advantages in the 90s to kill all the competition? Is this a trick question?

Possibly, or maybe that's an excuse the community uses because they're unwilling to see how openly hostile they are to proprietary software on their platform.

Let me ask you a quick question: How can I distribute an application in a way that will work on all Linux Desktops?

Re: The End of Windows

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Post by simonh »

Micoloth wrote: post #194
asveikau wrote: post #33

I still can't wrap my head around everything that was wrongheaded about Windows 8, and I was working there for most of its dev cycle. One wonders what would have happened if they just sort of let Windows be Windows. I.e. if they had continued iterating on core stuff but left UI and general philosophy resembling Win7's trajectory and not tried to force people into WinRT/UWP/store. Even though Win10 attempted correctiv…

>immature and unproven technology Wasn't old windows desktop technology the one proven to be bad? I mean I can say this because I like windows, but people have made fun of windows bugs and viruses for three decades now.. Granted, Windows Store still sucks ass years later its introduction, but building a new ecosystem with unified and modern tooling was probably a necessary step for them to make

There as nothing wrong with their desktop core technology. Visita at least allowed them to solve the security issues, and with seven they had a really great, solid desktop OS. The problem was actively undermining all that with Metro and RT. What’s popular and effective about 10 is all the crud they stripped off it, much more than anything they added, just as with 7.

Re: The End of Windows

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Post by pishpash »

blinkingled wrote: post #156

It isn't really the end of Windows - it's the end of Windows' dominance of Microsoft mindshare. Windows 10 was the giant step in that direction - an always updating, maintenance mode, single OS that MS will need to support. Arguably until Win 7 dies out they won't be entirely there but once they are, maintaining Windows is a much simpler affair than yesteryears. None of this means Windows itself is dying - it only me…

Satya is having enormous financial success in chasing much needed markets, but the jury's still out on ditching MS's strengths in large software development in favor of a no-support permanent beta culture at a moment when the latter is showing its ugly side.

Re: The End of Windows

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Post by Asooka »

MikkoFinell wrote: post #177
jimktrains2 wrote: post #25

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There are many games that run well in Linux, including a large portion of the Steam library! If you meant a specific game to run, well then you need to weight your pros and cons and stop whining when you make your decision. Alternatively, dual boot.

Alternatively, grow up and stop playing games.

That's not really what "growing up" means.

Re: The End of Windows

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Post by webbles »

TheForumTroll wrote: post #113
Philipp__ wrote: post #39

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You gotta be kidding me. Good luck using multiple HiDPI monitors. The only reasonable way to use Linux is tiling wm with as less graphical interface as possible, in my case only xterm and emacs. Which is crazy, since it’s 2018. and I am using modern computer with modern OS like how computers were used before I was even born.

It doesn't sound like you have used Linux since 1998. It works "out of the box" with multiple screens no matter the DPI.

Your anecdote is not data, you fucking retard.

Re: The End of Windows

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Post by hesarenu »

pjmlp wrote: post #145
SonicSoul wrote: post #72

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citation needed http://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/mobile/worldwide

So what, if I find a source that contradicts your's would you just put yet another link? I know what I see when I go into a store, travel across Europe and look around for what the other passengers are using. If you feel vindicated by posting some random link asserting you are right, so be it.

What you see and reality can be different. I am from third world i do not see much iPhone users at all. And from the link iPad does have commanding lead over android tablets.
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