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Re: The End of Windows

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Post by jen20 »

TheForumTroll wrote: post #113
Philipp__ wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You gotta be kidding me. Good luck using multiple HiDPI monitors. The only reasonable way to use Linux is tiling wm with as less graphical interface as possible, in my case only xterm and emacs. Which is crazy, since it’s 2018. and I am using modern computer with modern OS like how computers were used before I was even born.

It doesn't sound like you have used Linux since 1998. It works "out of the box" with multiple screens no matter the DPI.

I tried an Ubuntu 17.10 live image yesterday on a Thinkpad P50 with a connected Samsung 4K display, and my experience was not as you describe.

Re: The End of Windows

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Post by ynniv »

mbesto wrote: post #163
ynniv wrote: post #48

This seems like a ridiculous strategy. Who would abandon an ecosystem that they own over 80% of? If they're spending too much money on it, stop adding features and harden what they already have. It's increasingly clear that macOS isn't business-level stable, and Linux isn't polished... No one has an Android device on their desk at work. Maybe if they stopped trying to take over the world they would realize that they…

The author didn't characterize his position accurately. He meant "Windows Server", not "Windows Desktop". Similar to how IBM sold off it's laptop business to Lenovo, the strategy is basically saying that "We're a business services company, there's no growth left in the end-user ecosystem anymore, because all of that growth is in mobile, which we suck at, so let's just double down on what we are growing at: cloud serv…

If that's true, yes, Windows Server has been irrelevant for some time. It wouldn't explain the remapping of Office, though.

Re: The End of Windows

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Post by zeth___ »

justaaron wrote: post #129

Microsoft is squandering the decades of work humans put into drivers, an OS codebase that is unique and omnipresent, and if they can't see how useless and crap all their other services are without the conceptual core that powered their rise to sucess, then they will die. - windows domains - group policy - roaming profiles - drivers written for in-house equipment, ranging from machining to mass spectrometry, done over…

Everything that has drivers for Windows now has better drivers for Linux. I've plugged in 4x12m cnc machines that just worked out of the box. We did it for shits and giggles to see how bad it would screw up.

Re: The End of Windows

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Post by bacongobbler »

TheForumTroll wrote: post #113
Philipp__ wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You gotta be kidding me. Good luck using multiple HiDPI monitors. The only reasonable way to use Linux is tiling wm with as less graphical interface as possible, in my case only xterm and emacs. Which is crazy, since it’s 2018. and I am using modern computer with modern OS like how computers were used before I was even born.

It doesn't sound like you have used Linux since 1998. It works "out of the box" with multiple screens no matter the DPI.

Ehh, screen zoom could be better on 4k monitors. I always find the display scaling to be WAY off by default and have to mess around with xrandr settings in the terminal to change fractional scaling. This (and many other basic setup issues) doesn't make for a great first-hand experience when first starting out with Linux.

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/HiDPI#Fractional_Scalin...

Re: The End of Windows

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Post by izacus »

ckaygusu wrote: post #87
ynniv wrote: post #48

This seems like a ridiculous strategy. Who would abandon an ecosystem that they own over 80% of? If they're spending too much money on it, stop adding features and harden what they already have. It's increasingly clear that macOS isn't business-level stable, and Linux isn't polished... No one has an Android device on their desk at work. Maybe if they stopped trying to take over the world they would realize that they…

> macOS isn't business-level stable. Can you elaborate this assertion? As far as stability goes, macs are top notch. I'd say in the business context Windows machines are prevalent because of successful MS strategies (in terms of marketing, not ethics) in 1995-2005 era, and it kind of stuck around.

They literaly broke enterprise provisioning between the last beta and final release of High Sierra pretty much preventing update of huge fleets of enterprise MacBooks. That's not something business customers appreciate. And that's only the tip of the iceberg ignoring things like my MacBook deciding to fail to boot after a High Sierra security update.

Re: The End of Windows

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Post by kamaal »

dragonwriter wrote: post #171
ynniv wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Established businesses aren't going to put their data in someone else's datacenter. Small to medium businesses perhaps, but all it takes is one downturn that tightens the purse strings, or one critical event that reveals their absolute dependence on a third party. SAAS solutions are fair weather, and while we've had a lot of good weather I don't expect them to be used for critical business functions in the long term.

> Established businesses aren't going to put their data in someone else's datacenter. No, established enterprises (both private and government) are, in the real world, important customers for cloud offerings like Azure, GCP, and AWS.

During a AWS demonstration at work. The Amazon guy specifically mentioned, AWS is a more lucrative option for large companies than small ones, simply because it was an easy one time way of culling large teams in big companies who were adding very little to nothing in return in value.

Re: The End of Windows

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Post by Twisell »

pjmlp wrote: post #24
Twisell wrote: post #21

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Sources?

Personal anecdote of what I see being sold on consumer stores here in Germany. Or the restaurants or cocktail bars that happen to have tablets instead of paper menus. They started with iPads, but as their chains got bigger they moved to a mix of Android and W10 tablets. Source, personal anecdote getting out of the menu app into the OS.

I agree in that iPad are being perceived as too expensive here in EU, notably because of the advantaging EUR/USD conversion rate that Apple don't really follow when it come to pricing it's product.

On top of that shop owners tends to rely more on local vendors for cash machines, and many of those still heavily built atop of the Windows ecosystems. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if W10 surpassed Android for this kind of appliance. Here in France I often see waiters use device with old school stylus on UI with really small buttons. I'm not even sure what OS this is to be honest.

Re: The End of Windows

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

ynniv wrote: post #142
SonicSoul wrote: post #127

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they can still take advantage of existing cloud technologies running on their own servers. And guess what, the CTO and CFO and COO will very much care about licensing cost of each CPU running windows or sql server, vs FREE on Linux.

You're thinking about your own app servers. No one cares about the cost of Windows when you're running someone else's proprietary desktop software on it.

> No one cares about the cost of Windows when you're running someone else's proprietary desktop software on it

This is a small and shrinking corner of the market. Valuable. But still a corner.

Re: The End of Windows

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Post by dragonwriter »

ynniv wrote: post #48

This seems like a ridiculous strategy. Who would abandon an ecosystem that they own over 80% of? If they're spending too much money on it, stop adding features and harden what they already have. It's increasingly clear that macOS isn't business-level stable, and Linux isn't polished... No one has an Android device on their desk at work. Maybe if they stopped trying to take over the world they would realize that they…

> Who would abandon an ecosystem that they own over 80% of?

They aren't abandoning the desktop Windows ecosystem, they’ve just demoted Windows from a single desktop and server org that the rest of the firm orbits to something that serves the areas where there actually is expected to be growth.

Re: The End of Windows

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Post by hanklazard »

arcbyte wrote: post #19
bigmanwalter wrote: post #14

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Linux on desktop is pretty amazing. Haven't looked back in 3 years.

Is there a laptop you would recommend?

I’m, at-best, a mid-level Linux user and I’m coming from MacOS.

I bought a Lenovo Carbon X1 4th gen a few months ago. I was originally going to keep a Windows partition, but wiped Windows 10 Home after about 20 min. The fresh install of Linux Mint was even simpler than expected. I’ve been really enjoying Linux ever since, with the only issue being the HiDPI support mentioned elsewhere ... a 1.5x would be perfect and once that happens, I’d recommend my build even to my parents who are long-time mac/windows users.

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