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Schools Struggle with Vaping Explosion

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Re: Schools Struggle with Vaping Explosion

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Who does this stuff even benefit? The seemingly arbitrary lines drawn between marijuana, alcohol, tobacco and other "drugs" is so weird. So much moral righteousness.

The tobacco companies have bought into the vaping industry, along with a lot of random other corporations and small businesses. But there's certainly NO reason to vape other than "monkey see, monkey do."

What broad reasons do teenagers have to vape exactly?

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What should the vaping kids do instead of vaping?

Preferably just breathe normal air? As in don't replace it with any other drug.

I'm not sure that abstinence works. Btw you know of course that many boys are put on officially-sanctioned drugs at school? Should we put them on those drugs instead?

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For years it was obvious to me vaping was backed by an astroturfing campaign on Facebook/reddit/HN/etc. Same for many other things the online techie in crowd things they came up on their own.

Let's fix this recurring problem.

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The people selling it... (often illegally) to kids, who then have trouble getting a basic education and develop habits, which are long term destructive to their ability to operate within society.

Mid 30s adult here who used an e-cigarette for a year or two when alone in the car for funsies (flavors smell nice). What, exactly, is the problem with kids vaping/using e-cigarettes if they don't contain a controlled substance (THC or nicotine, in these cases). We don't ban kids from consuming caffeine, so what's the problem with inert vapors? I agree that the liquid to be vaporized needs to be regulated to prevent…

The problems that I see with that are. 1. Vaping still isn't that healthy for you even if everything is ideal. Heating something up and inhaling it is never going to be that healthy. Add in possible contamination in the liquid, issues with not cleaning the vape etc. and you are always going to have some health problems. 2. It makes it easier to then switch to nicotine once they have the vape pen since the psychological and financial switch is less to just try it out once. 3. It makes it harder for schools/parents to know who is consuming a banned substance vs. an unbanned inert vapor.

I think a blanket ban on vapes for everyone under 18 and a ban on tobacco for 21 and older would probably have beneficial public health impacts.

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Mid 30s adult here who used an e-cigarette for a year or two when alone in the car for funsies (flavors smell nice). What, exactly, is the problem with kids vaping/using e-cigarettes if they don't contain a controlled substance (THC or nicotine, in these cases). We don't ban kids from consuming caffeine, so what's the problem with inert vapors? I agree that the liquid to be vaporized needs to be regulated to prevent…

The problems that I see with that are. 1. Vaping still isn't that healthy for you even if everything is ideal. Heating something up and inhaling it is never going to be that healthy. Add in possible contamination in the liquid, issues with not cleaning the vape etc. and you are always going to have some health problems. 2. It makes it easier to then switch to nicotine once they have the vape pen since the psychologic…

> I think a blanket ban on vapes for everyone under 18 and a ban on tobacco for 21 and older would probably have beneficial public health impacts.

That's a fair compromise, although I'd like an outright ban on cigarettes. If someone wants to vape to get their nicotine, or chew gum, fine (I am a supporter of safe recreational drug use). But smoking has been proven to be downright ruinous to your long term health.

Disclosure: I am putting a Kickstarter together to use GMOs to eliminate tobacco long term.

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The tobacco companies have bought into the vaping industry, along with a lot of random other corporations and small businesses. But there's certainly NO reason to vape other than "monkey see, monkey do."

What broad reasons do teenagers have to vape exactly?

Nothing other than what I said; "monkey see, monkey do." / peer pressure. Same as adults. It's just a really stupid fad.

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What should the vaping kids do instead of vaping?

There was a golden era about 10 years ago where it looked like smoking was finally going to be conquered. The cessation aids were working. Smoking rates were plummeting. It wasn't cool anymore. It was no longer an impossible problem - people could quit and never look back.

Then vaping screwed it all up.

I hate the myth - which I assumed is being propagated by the companies that profit off of it - that vaping was a replacement for smoking, and that people who vape would otherwise smoke. No. There was a clear period of time between when smoking was on its deathbed and when vaping exploded.

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Preferably just breathe normal air? As in don't replace it with any other drug.

I'm not sure that abstinence works. Btw you know of course that many boys are put on officially-sanctioned drugs at school? Should we put them on those drugs instead?

Are you trying to segue into a discussion on over prescription of ADHD medication? I don't really see what the one has to do with the other but sure, they are both problems. But you can't just say two things are drugs so they are equal. I take a drug first thing every morning for my allergies for instance.

Edit: You edited your reply after I started. I think abstinence works fine for something like nicotine. Unlike say sex humans don't have any innate craving for nicotine, I've never consumed it in my entire life and I don't feel like I've missed out on anything.

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Preferably just breathe normal air? As in don't replace it with any other drug.

I'm not sure that abstinence works. Btw you know of course that many boys are put on officially-sanctioned drugs at school? Should we put them on those drugs instead?

Abstinence isn't effective? For sex maybe. For smoking it is, though. It's the most successful method of quitting.
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