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Re: The End of Windows

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Post by Twisell »

pjmlp wrote: post #15
amyjess wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I see iPads everywhere at smaller restaurants. Especially in food courts. I've even seen a few Android tablets (including at one upscale food hall in Plano, TX). Not just restaurants, too; independent stores are picking up tablets at a huge rate. If a store has opened in the last three years or so, they're probably using a tablet as a cash register. Tablets are rapidly taking over the market for cash registers.

Many of those tablets are actually running W10.

Sources?

Re: The End of Windows

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Post by SonicSoul »

pjmlp wrote: post #12
nightski wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a long time developer on the Microsoft stack (approaching 20 years now?), it seems to me like this makes Microsoft and it's services less relevant and more easily replaceable in the long run. It's clear Azure and the related services are very lucrative, but I feel this is because of the prevalent use of Windows, not in spite of it.

Same here, but I don't see any rush to change those Windows desktops by something else, beyond eventually some Macs.

you're thinking about desktops. think servers/mobile. that's a highly competitive space you won't compete in by making windows 10% better every 2 years.

Re: The End of Windows

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Post by jimktrains2 »

arcbyte wrote: post #19
bigmanwalter wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Linux on desktop is pretty amazing. Haven't looked back in 3 years.

Is there a laptop you would recommend?

I like trackpoints, so I've been using various thinkpad models for a while and they all seem to work well.

Re: The End of Windows

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Post by pjmlp »

Twisell wrote: post #21
pjmlp wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Many of those tablets are actually running W10.

Sources?

Personal anecdote of what I see being sold on consumer stores here in Germany.

Or the restaurants or cocktail bars that happen to have tablets instead of paper menus.

They started with iPads, but as their chains got bigger they moved to a mix of Android and W10 tablets.

Source, personal anecdote getting out of the menu app into the OS.

Re: The End of Windows

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Post by jimktrains2 »

holtalanm wrote: post #20

i would have stopped using windows years ago if i could get games to run decently on linux.

There are many games that run well in Linux, including a large portion of the Steam library!

If you meant a specific game to run, well then you need to weight your pros and cons and stop whining when you make your decision.

Alternatively, dual boot.

Re: The End of Windows

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Post by pjmlp »

SonicSoul wrote: post #22
pjmlp wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same here, but I don't see any rush to change those Windows desktops by something else, beyond eventually some Macs.

you're thinking about desktops. think servers/mobile. that's a highly competitive space you won't compete in by making windows 10% better every 2 years.

Currently Android seems to have lost the tablet war on consumer electronic shops.

People are either going for iPads, or hybrid laptops runnig W10.

Android devs are to blame, given the little effort to adapt phone apps to tablets.

Re: The End of Windows

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Post by andybak »

jacquesm wrote: post #11
walterbell wrote: post #4

Dear Microsoft, If you’re not using the PC, can we have it back? — General Purpose Computing

General Purpose Computing using PC's is a thing because of Microsoft (and IBM). Without those two there would have never been a PC in the first place. The forces against general purpose computing are to be found on 1 infinite loop and 1600 Amphitheatre parkway.

I rode a PC wave that nearly completely bypassed IBM/Microsoft:

1. The "home" computer boom: ZX Spectrums, Acorn, Commodore, Atari with maybe an Apple II or a CPM machines for more serious use. 2. The Atari ST or Amiga wave. WIMP and productivity software as well as gaming and content creation 3. At this point I did switch to Windows but I could just have easily switched to Mac. Apple didn't cease to be a force at any stage. They maintained a strong base in home use and content creation only losing the enterprise.

In our alternate history there was also room for Next or BeOS. You never know.

Now what MS/IBM did enable (accidentally to some degree) was an open hardware platform. However if they weren't around then other players might have stepped in. Maybe CP/M succeeded in going 16bit, GEM might have caught on or the Apple clones might have found a way to legally survive.

On final reading I realise you might have meant "PC" in the narrow sense. If so then you're correct in a trivial sense. If not then I disagree.

Re: The End of Windows

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Post by mariusmg »

About that reorganization :

"Today, I’m announcing the formation of two new engineering teams"

"Windows: Joe Belfiore will continue leading our Windows experiences and will drive Windows innovation in partnership with the PC and device ecosystem"

How does this exactly means they are giving up on Windows ?! Seriously, wishful thinking much ?

Re: The End of Windows

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Post by erric »

pjmlp wrote: post #18
bigmanwalter wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Linux on desktop is pretty amazing. Haven't looked back in 3 years.

Yep, the other day I was also pretty amazed how using VS Code alongside Rust, for writing a Gtk-rs application, managed to hang X forcing me to reboot the whole thing. With the open source AMD drivers.

I have been quite impressed with VS Code. I’m....honestly shocked I’m using it but it’s doing what it advertises and is doing it pretty well. Sublime is getting less use these days.
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