Tesla driver reproduces fatal autopilot accident [video]

Post by EGreg » Mon, Apr 02, 2018, 7:11 AM UTC

rohit2412 wrote: post #68

EGreg wrote: post #56

To me this is very strange. Why do the road markings trump the objects coming up? Obviously if a giant-ass obstacle is coming up, the car should be prepared to drive around it, and to decelerate as a last resort. Moreover, if the obstacle is moving, the car has to try to extrapolate its movement in order to avoid it. How else can you pass trucks and such? Also why can’t these cars be tested autonomously with soft top…

Because Radar can't see static obstacles https://www.wired.com/story/tesla-autopilot-why-crash-radar/ And Cameras (Vision) are overhyped, they are not reliable enough to recognize obstacles etc

Post by tajen » Mon, Apr 02, 2018, 7:19 AM UTC

amasad wrote: post #52

marcell wrote: post #13

I really dislike the marketing around "autopilot." The common defense of Tesla's autopilot is that there are disclaimers, and the driver should always be at 100% attention. Well, look at this, copied from Tesla's website: > Full Self-Driving Hardware on All Cars > All Tesla vehicles produced in our factory, including Model 3, have the hardware needed for full self-driving capability at a safety level substantially gr…

Add to that that Elon said "self-driving is basically a solved problem" and that they'll be doing a cross country trip soon. I'm honestly puzzled that Musk doesn't seem to be taking this seriously and is joking about it on Twitter (he has an April fool's thing about Tesla being bankrupt). As much as I love Tesla's mission, they seem screwed to me. They just issued a massive recall, their autopolit system is killing p…

Post by greenyoda » Mon, Apr 02, 2018, 7:22 AM UTC

Shank wrote: post #30

Part of me wonders whether or not we're going to see mutual improvement of infrastructure with self driving cars in the future. This seems like something that you could obviously fix by adding in some kind of passive or active flag that, to a self driving car, says "woah, you're /really/ not supposed to be here." I know we're supposed to be focusing on building systems that are as capable as humans are as drivers. Ho…

Post by [deleted] » Mon, Apr 02, 2018, 7:47 AM UTC

Tepix wrote: post #28

jijojv wrote: post #2

Really sad to see Autopilot is a joke and nothing more than adaptive cruise control found in common cars, despite Musk claming it was a year ago [1] Any one who owns Autopilot knows the warning at :20 is NOT a crash warning at all and is just the usual warning every minute to jiggle the wheel if you don't hold the wheel firmly enough when it can't detect you holding it. 1. https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/82363259…

The bad state of the road plays a huge role. There should be a "report unsafe road conditions" function in these cars to get US roads up to Belgian standards. Doesn't Ttump want to spend money on infrastructure anyway?

Post by Gibbon1 » Mon, Apr 02, 2018, 7:54 AM UTC

csydas wrote: post #65

phobius wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

could be a well-meaning tech culture screw up; Most tech people know that airplane autopilots weren't end-to-end automated for the majority of their existence

As a reasonably self-aware dumb tech person, I would say that this defense would not fly with me any more than "any ____ should know that the product can't actually do that." There's a reason that such consumer protections are in place against claims like this, and especially with something like an auto-pilot, I think it's down-right irresponsible to allow marketing to dilute the reality of the performance. This isn'…