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Tesla driver reproduces fatal autopilot accident [video]

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Re: Tesla driver reproduces fatal autopilot accident [video]

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Post by Symbiote »

ars wrote: post #10
jstanley wrote: post #7

This (video) is another instance where the lanes split apart but the part in the middle has absolutely no markings to indicate that you shouldn't drive there. This (photograph) is what it should look like: http://s0.geograph.org.uk/geophotos/02/24/67/2246762_3a6ea81... Is this (bad line painting) common in the US? Edit: on a second viewing, I think it actually does have some chevrons, but they're very faint.

There is a solid white line. It's forbidden to cross a solid while line on the freeway. What does a solid white line mean to you (in your country)? The linked video is a different story, but the image you linked makes it quite clear not to drive there.

In Britain, the solid white line would have red reflectors, and it's very unlikely to be so worn out.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ysBB-LI6YEc

Re: Tesla driver reproduces fatal autopilot accident [video]

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Post by KKKKkkkk1 »

I can totally see how a human driver can crash in this situation if he or she is solely focused on the lane markings. This puts the lie to Tesla and Mobileye's claims that camera-based computer vision is enough for autonomy just because humans use two low-res cameras to drive.

Re: Tesla driver reproduces fatal autopilot accident [video]

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Post by Symbiote »

RobLach wrote: post #21

I’ve driven this road many times and it’s pretty obvious where to go. The lanes split into 2 different roads and you see the elevated way turning right in the distance so turning left would never make sense. I wouldn’t be surprised if the chevrons which are pretty worn down would be low priority on the maintenance list given how obvious it is and how annoying work there would be.

> low priority on the maintenance list

The impression abroad, from reading about collapsing bridges, is that pretty much all maintainance is low priority.

On my last visit, my friend told me to avoid particular freeways near his home because chunks were falling off the bridge.

Re: Tesla driver reproduces fatal autopilot accident [video]

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Post by jijojv »

marcell wrote: post #13

I really dislike the marketing around "autopilot." The common defense of Tesla's autopilot is that there are disclaimers, and the driver should always be at 100% attention. Well, look at this, copied from Tesla's website: > Full Self-Driving Hardware on All Cars > All Tesla vehicles produced in our factory, including Model 3, have the hardware needed for full self-driving capability at a safety level substantially gr…

I'm an average engineer (sometimes 2-3x at best) and was scammed into thinking Autopilot was safer and that Full Self-Driving was just weeks away based on that page - which back in Dec'16 actually said thoses features would begin rolling out end of Dec'16. Hopefully https://www.pacermonitor.com/public/case/21195146/Dean_Sheik... will come to fruition soon...

Re: Tesla driver reproduces fatal autopilot accident [video]

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Post by alt_f4 »

sdrothrock wrote: post #12

One thing I always wonder about is the Tesla HUD -- my gut feeling is that if instead of rendering three generic lanes, it tried to render the lanes/obstacles it saw, the driver might be more attentive while in Autopilot mode. 1. The interface changes, and changing things are more interesting to look at. 2. Seeing something like two lanes when you're on a five-lane high way should make a driver do a double-take and p…

or, you know, instead of looking at the HUD, you can look at the road? that interface changes naturally

Re: Tesla driver reproduces fatal autopilot accident [video]

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Post by friedman23 »

KKKKkkkk1 wrote: post #32

I can totally see how a human driver can crash in this situation if he or she is solely focused on the lane markings. This puts the lie to Tesla and Mobileye's claims that camera-based computer vision is enough for autonomy just because humans use two low-res cameras to drive.

> This puts the lie to Tesla and Mobileye's claims that camera-based computer vision is enough for autonomy.

How are these things related? Are you suggesting that cameras are not sufficient for self driving?

Re: Tesla driver reproduces fatal autopilot accident [video]

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Post by rorykoehler »

marcell wrote: post #13

I really dislike the marketing around "autopilot." The common defense of Tesla's autopilot is that there are disclaimers, and the driver should always be at 100% attention. Well, look at this, copied from Tesla's website: > Full Self-Driving Hardware on All Cars > All Tesla vehicles produced in our factory, including Model 3, have the hardware needed for full self-driving capability at a safety level substantially gr…

I disagree. You can't blame Tesla for consumers lack of reading comprehension and /or ignorance. Same bs as with Facebook doing the news now. Everyone who looked could easily see what was going on but suddenly everyone is outraged.

Re: Tesla driver reproduces fatal autopilot accident [video]

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Post by Barrin92 »

phobius wrote: post #22
marcell wrote: post #13

I really dislike the marketing around "autopilot." The common defense of Tesla's autopilot is that there are disclaimers, and the driver should always be at 100% attention. Well, look at this, copied from Tesla's website: > Full Self-Driving Hardware on All Cars > All Tesla vehicles produced in our factory, including Model 3, have the hardware needed for full self-driving capability at a safety level substantially gr…

could be a well-meaning tech culture screw up; Most tech people know that airplane autopilots weren't end-to-end automated for the majority of their existence

>Most tech people know

most tech people also know how "better than human" sounds to the public and the average driver. This isn't well meaning tech culture, it's a PR statement that is misleading and formulated the way it is precisely because it is a sales pitch.

It's irresponsible and unethical. It should be called a 'driver assistant' and have a warning label in font size 100 that tells drivers to not treat it as autonomous and infallible.

Re: Tesla driver reproduces fatal autopilot accident [video]

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Post by dwightgunning »

ars wrote: post #10
jstanley wrote: post #7

This (video) is another instance where the lanes split apart but the part in the middle has absolutely no markings to indicate that you shouldn't drive there. This (photograph) is what it should look like: http://s0.geograph.org.uk/geophotos/02/24/67/2246762_3a6ea81... Is this (bad line painting) common in the US? Edit: on a second viewing, I think it actually does have some chevrons, but they're very faint.

There is a solid white line. It's forbidden to cross a solid while line on the freeway. What does a solid white line mean to you (in your country)? The linked video is a different story, but the image you linked makes it quite clear not to drive there.

The photo is a good example of how the lines should be painted. The video shows a well painted line on the left of the “v” but the chevrons and right side line are exceptionally faded. If I was to guess the extreme contrast probably contributed.
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