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Tesla driver reproduces fatal autopilot accident [video]

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Re: Tesla driver reproduces fatal autopilot accident [video]

#11
That kind of lane marking (or lack thereof) seems very unsafe. I realize that often this is due to construction / etc but the immediately-to-the-left lane's marker was Very Clear, and didn't have a visible split in it. I had to watch it a second time to make sure that I didn't miss the indications that the lane was splitting away (other than the highway signs). This kind of thing (lack of clear markings) can be really dangerous when driving at night in the raid (road is more reflective than normal), or in an unfamiliar area.

The autopilot could be better, but the road engineers should have made sure the lines were painted correctly.

Re: Tesla driver reproduces fatal autopilot accident [video]

#12
One thing I always wonder about is the Tesla HUD -- my gut feeling is that if instead of rendering three generic lanes, it tried to render the lanes/obstacles it saw, the driver might be more attentive while in Autopilot mode.

1. The interface changes, and changing things are more interesting to look at.

2. Seeing something like two lanes when you're on a five-lane high way should make a driver do a double-take and perhaps pay more attention or disengage autopilot.

3. Ditto for obstacles.

Re: Tesla driver reproduces fatal autopilot accident [video]

#13
I really dislike the marketing around "autopilot." The common defense of Tesla's autopilot is that there are disclaimers, and the driver should always be at 100% attention.

Well, look at this, copied from Tesla's website:

> Full Self-Driving Hardware on All Cars

> All Tesla vehicles produced in our factory, including Model 3, have the hardware needed for full self-driving capability at a safety level substantially greater than that of a human driver. [1]

An average person is going to read this and think, "This care drives itself, and it's safer than me!" The rest of the page describes space-age features like switching lanes to get to an exit faster and self parking:

> All you will need to do is get in and tell your car where to go ... Your Tesla will figure out the optimal route, navigate urban streets (even without lane markings), manage complex intersections with traffic lights, stop signs and roundabouts, and handle densely packed freeways with cars moving at high speed ... and park itself.

They're selling a car that full on drives itself. This is not being sold as adaptive cruise control.

FWIW, they included a weasel phrase by saying "hardware" is there, as opposed to software, but come on! An average person is not going to understand that distinction. I think they need to dramatically scale back the hype around this feature until it actually delivers what it promises.

Edit: I'm also confused by why they need to hype up autopilot so much. They are already selling more cars than they can make, and a sexy electric car appeals to lots of people. I think it would be enough to stick with that.

[1] https://www.tesla.com/autopilot

Re: Tesla driver reproduces fatal autopilot accident [video]

#14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does it matter? Do cars act differently depending on which state they are in? Seems like a similar situation to the crash in California.

It does matter when the article title claims that it's a reproduction of the accident. If it's not the same location, it's not really a reproduction, even if the cause/effect is the same.

I read it in the same sense as reproduce a bug.

Re: Tesla driver reproduces fatal autopilot accident [video]

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post #7

This (video) is another instance where the lanes split apart but the part in the middle has absolutely no markings to indicate that you shouldn't drive there. This (photograph) is what it should look like: http://s0.geograph.org.uk/geophotos/02/24/67/2246762_3a6ea81... Is this (bad line painting) common in the US? Edit: on a second viewing, I think it actually does have some chevrons, but they're very faint.

Yes they are very faint.

I think in rainy conditions humans might also be fooled by it.

Re: Tesla driver reproduces fatal autopilot accident [video]

#17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does it matter? Do cars act differently depending on which state they are in? Seems like a similar situation to the crash in California.

It does matter when the article title claims that it's a reproduction of the accident. If it's not the same location, it's not really a reproduction, even if the cause/effect is the same.

I don't think the word reproduction is always used as strictly as your definition. In computer software/hardware the word is used even if the geographical location and hardware is different. I don't see using it to reproduce car issues would be any different.

Re: Tesla driver reproduces fatal autopilot accident [video]

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post #8

Fun fact - given the current implementation of Autopilot, it is insane to expect an autonomous vehicle. There should be some kind of common sense/intelligence test for would-be users of Autopilot. So far, every incident involving Autopilot that I have heard about or looked at can be summarised with "Driver was being a dumbass"

When most of your users have a problem it’s not PEBKAC, it’s bad UX.

Just because a door says push, doesn’t mean it looks pushable. If it doesn’t look pushable, users will pull.

If all the PR and the CEO keep saying “autopilot”, users will use it as auto pilot. If it isn’t autopilot, it should have a different name.

Re: Tesla driver reproduces fatal autopilot accident [video]

#20
Autopilot marketing is bad and Elon deserves a lot of the blame, but do we still expect to be able to trust these systems enough to not put hands on the wheel and look at the road?

IMO we are still in the very early stages of this work in the industry. Personally I think bugs and flaws in systems like this are normal at this stage. I would expect the same with GM Super Cruise and I wouldn't trust that either to let go of the steering wheel.

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