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Why there are so many online mattress-in-a-box companies

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"Since Casper launched its “mattress in a box” concept in 2014, digital-savvy entrepreneurs have been launching new mattress brands online seemingly every week." Casper was not the first mattress in a box online company. But Casper definitely is the first company to get the marketing right.

I think it would be fair to say they Apple'd it.

Given how they sued people who gave bad reviews to their products, I think that is more than enough reason to never buy from them, especially sight unseen.

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I was looking at an Ecosa Sleep ad on facebook a few months ago and considered purchasing one of their mattresses, until I read some of their comments.

They claim their mattresses are better because of reduced EMF radiation (compared to traditional mattresses with springs) and when i called them out on their pseudo-science bs I got a nasty reply telling me I was wrong and to do some research!

Re: Why there are so many online mattress-in-a-box companies

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In addition to the article's points, it seems to me that the experience of dealing with aggressive/manipulative salespeople in a "classic" retail mattress store cannot be compared to the feeling that I get from most online stores. Questions on my budget, spending time to show me the mattresses (and then making me feel guilty that they spent all of this time on me), etc. Offering me a "last minute" deal once they saw…

I second that. I recently bought a king size tempur, upgrading from my queen size (which got moved to my spare room). It's not just comfortable - it's next level. I slept on a Casper at an airbnb for a full month this past summer - it's not bad but it isn't tempurpedic.

Ps, check my past comments - I am not a shill, just someone who digs tempurpedic.

Re: Why there are so many online mattress-in-a-box companies

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

We had a Leesa but returned it because it was too soft. Got a Helix mattress instead (lots of options for firmness etc.), which has been pretty good for about 2 years. The "return" for the Leesa was a disposal truck from 1-800-Got-Junk. It already had another Leesa mattress on it from that morning. Used mattresses can't really be resold; I hope they're at least somewhat recyclable.

Tuft and Needle’s returned mattresses are directly donated to local homeless and women's shelters.

Depends on the state. Reusing mattresses is not permitted in California, unless the mattress has undergone a sanitization process that often costs as much as the mattress is worth.

Re: Why there are so many online mattress-in-a-box companies

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I bought my foam mattress from Dixie [1]. It's the Dream Bed Deluxe model, which was about $550, which seems right for a foam mattress (it's still probably 2x markup, but less than what Casper etc. are charging), with free delivery in NYC. Unlike most brands, Dixie makes their own mattresses, and they're made in the US. I love the mattress.

[1] https://dixiefoam.com/collections

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

We had a Leesa but returned it because it was too soft. Got a Helix mattress instead (lots of options for firmness etc.), which has been pretty good for about 2 years. The "return" for the Leesa was a disposal truck from 1-800-Got-Junk. It already had another Leesa mattress on it from that morning. Used mattresses can't really be resold; I hope they're at least somewhat recyclable.

Tuft and Needle’s returned mattresses are directly donated to local homeless and women's shelters.

* wherever possible

Which means sure, if it works out, but mostly these are probably still going into the trash.

Re: Why there are so many online mattress-in-a-box companies

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Seems like part of what this article is discussing is the emerging 'Shopify effect'. The barriers to entry for starting an online brand-based business have plummetted to the point where even people with little means financially and no means technically can still set up a business for a fraction of what it cost in the 20th century. I wouldn't be surprised if we're in the middle of a Cambrian explosion-esque period for…

And yet, for living species, it looks a lot more like the K-T boundary extinction event. At least we created a lot of shareholder value.

Re: Why there are so many online mattress-in-a-box companies

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Surprising that an article about mattress in a box companies can be written without mentioning T&N.

Tuft & Needle probably was the first one to come out with this concept, and probably is still the best priced one. I have two T&N queen mattresses for more than 4 yrs. Been very happy with these in terms of comfort and durability. Never going back to any of the 4S mattresses.

No reason for me to try other mattress in a box brands, because they are way more expensive and dont seem to be any more comfortable than T&N.

Best thing about mattress in a box, is that if I have to move to an another place, I sell my current mattress and get a new one where I move. One less thing to carry while moving!

Re: Why there are so many online mattress-in-a-box companies

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How do you like your Leesa?

I have a Leesa and liked it so much that I bought 2 more for the rest of my beds. It feels great for me, I like a firmer mattress, but it’s not too firm. Here are the highlights: 1. Half the price of the equivalent at Sleep Country 2. Didn’t have to deal with mattress sales people. Margins are so high there is usually a negotiation. Given the varying types of materials, I don’t really know how to price and why I shou…

I’ve had two Leesas. One with my ex and now at my new place (a year old). Both were extremely comfortable and fit my sleep needs. The first was a risk, the second was an obvious choice.

Re: Why there are so many online mattress-in-a-box companies

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The journalist spoke to all these founders and to marketing people, but didn't ask a fairly obvious question: What makes the mattress market so much weirder than for other products? Let's compare mattresses to big-screen TVs, which are also $1000+, infrequently purchased, bulky items:

- The article says, "If consumers recognize a brand, it creates a situation where mattress stores are slashing prices to compete with each other." But how is that different for Samsung or LG TVs?

- "The number of mattress manufacturers is close to 500," meaning in the US I presume. Why are there only 19 TV manufacturers that market in the U.S., and probably not many more in the whole world?

- Why do mattress manufacturers obfuscate the model numbers so that "every one of the stores gets a slightly different mattress" making it impossible for consumers to compare? TVs aren't like that. LG's current lineup seems to be 11 different models for 65-inch TVs and 3 models for 60-inch TVs. It's perfectly easy to compare LG's prices online vs Best Buy vs other stores.

So why are the mattress and TV markets so different? To take a stab at answering my own question, I think it's because mattresses are still mostly made locally in the US since they can't be shipped great distances (like from China), so they don't benefit from huge economies of scale and cheap labor. And many of those 500 manufacturers probably serve a niche geographical area, so they actually have less competition than TVs manufacturers. Hence they can get away with 300% markup whereas TVs manufacturers operate on tiny margins. Therefore TVs need to compete on features and price, but mattress manufacturers have traditionally used high-pressure tactics and obfuscation to make sales. Anyone have a better explanation?

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