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1.1.1.1: Fast, privacy-first consumer DNS service

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Re: 1.1.1.1: Fast, privacy-first consumer DNS service

#511

>"And we wanted to put our money where our mouth was, so we committed to retaining KPMG, the well-respected auditing firm, to audit our code and practices annually and publish a public report confirming we're doing what we said we would." It's worth pointing out that KPMG was Wells Fargo's independent auditor while the bank recently committed fraud on a massive scale by creating more than a million fake deposit accou…

Not that I really want to defend KPMG here, and this is obviously entirely anecdotal, but my team had our application code assessed by them (by request of the customer, so they could get some pointers on what kind of development they needed to focus on). I spent 2 days talking to them, answering questions, showing them data flows, database layouts, system diagrams, etc. They also required access to our source control (making the "let's remove this before the audit" idea pretty useless), issue tracker, etc.

The 2 people that I was in contact with were both competent and experienced. Definitely not "young grads who have never worked in an actual IT/software dev team" as someone claimed elsewhere.

Re: 1.1.1.1: Fast, privacy-first consumer DNS service

#512

"Cloudflare's 1.1.1.1 DNS will respond very fast, but the big sites you access, the whole reason for resolving DNS, will be SLOWER ∵ no edns-client-subnet support, so no geolocation of results." - https://twitter.com/philpennock/status/980561009961299968

edns-client-subnet leads to a surprising number of privacy concerns. See: https://00f.net/2013/08/07/edns-client-subnet/ I find the cache timing issue particularly worrying.

Cloudflare runs from 151 (and growing rapidly) locations worldwide. Without edns-client-subnet, the upstream DNS server will probably respond according to the geolocation of the Cloudflare location you're talking to -- which is probably pretty close to you, and therefore will probably produce a good outcome for you, while largely avoiding the privacy concerns.

Re: 1.1.1.1: Fast, privacy-first consumer DNS service

#514
post #457

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Comcast in Northern NJ USA about 45 MI from NYC $ ping 1.1.1.1 PING 1.1.1.1 (1.1.1.1) 56(84) bytes of data. 64 bytes from 1.1.1.1: icmp_seq=1 ttl=56 time=10.8 ms 64 bytes from 1.1.1.1: icmp_seq=2 ttl=56 time=11.3 ms 64 bytes from 1.1.1.1: icmp_seq=3 ttl=56 time=10.7 ms 64 bytes from 1.1.1.1: icmp_seq=4 ttl=56 time=10.9 ms PING 8.8.8.8 (8.8.8.8) 56(84) bytes of data. 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=1 ttl=60 time=10.7…

From a residential connection in New Zealand: $ ping 1.1.1.1 Pinging 1.1.1.1 with 32 bytes of data: Reply from 1.1.1.1: bytes=32 time=4ms TTL=60 Reply from 1.1.1.1: bytes=32 time=4ms TTL=60 Reply from 1.1.1.1: bytes=32 time=4ms TTL=60 Reply from 1.1.1.1: bytes=32 time=4ms TTL=60 $ ping 8.8.8.8 Pinging 8.8.8.8 with 32 bytes of data: Reply from 8.8.8.8: bytes=32 time=27ms TTL=60 Reply from 8.8.8.8: bytes=32 time=27ms T…

Residential in Auckland, NZ (Vibe, UFB)

64 bytes from 1.1.1.1: icmp_seq=0 ttl=60 time=0.966 ms

Outstanding.

64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=0 ttl=59 time=25.478 ms

Not so great.

Re: 1.1.1.1: Fast, privacy-first consumer DNS service

#515

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>because they were claiming Cloudflare agreed with their ideology. That was a lie. It was a commenter on an article.

My tendency would be to ask for some sort of proof, though I realize asking for proof of nonexistence of evidence is near impossible. I'm inclined at present to place more trust in Cloudflare's word at this point, but I try to keep an open mind. It's always good to know both sides' stories.

Well, you have the CloudFlare blog where Prince states "The tipping point for us making this decision was that the team behind Daily Stormer made the claim that we were secretly supporters of their ideology."[0] So, all that is necessary is to find this statement. I won't link to it but the Daily Stormer has been active on the clear web for most of the time intervening the seizure of their domain and now. Prince never provided any proof for his claim, not even a screenshot. Of course, a screenshot would have given away, via the visual context, that the statement wasn't from the "team" but from a forum commenter presenting the notion in a joking manner.

As it happens, an internal memo "leaked" to the media wherein Prince admitted he pulled the plug on The Daily Stormer because they are "assholes" and admitted that “The Daily Stormer site was bragging on their bulletin boards about how Cloudflare was one of them."[1] These forums are also what served as the area for readers to comment on articles. Ergo, he acknowledged that he knew his statement about the Daily Stormer "team" claiming CloudFlare supported their ideology was a lie.

You also have to go back in time and consider the context in which The Daily Stormer was successively de-platformed. The site had been publishing low-brow racist commentary including jokes about pushing Jews into ovens and referring to Africans as various simian species for years. It was, however, a single article wherein they mocked the woman who died at the Charlottesville, VA conflict between the alt-right and antifa that led to the widespread outrage that resulted in the The Daily Stormer being temporarily kicked off the internet.[2]

At the same time that Cloudflare was banning the Daily Stormer, they were (and still are, AFAIK) providing services to pro-pedophilia and ISIS web sites. The Daily Stormer itself pointed out not only the hypocrisy of this situation but also the risk it created to CloudFlare's continued safe harbor protections.[3]

[0]: https://blog.cloudflare.com/why-we-terminated-daily-stormer/ [1]: https://gizmodo.com/cloudflare-ceo-on-terminating-service-to... [2]: https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/da... [3]: https://web.archive.org/web/20180401233331/https://dailystor...

Re: 1.1.1.1: Fast, privacy-first consumer DNS service

#518

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Genuinely asking, what are some companies that would be a good choice for this sort of thing?

As genuine as your question is, there are no good answers. The way we ended up with a Big Four is that the Fifth member of the Big Five (Arthur Andersen) audited Enron, essentially telling everybody that it wasn't an enormous fraud, but it was. All the senior people at AA avoided jail but the audit firm was so obviously untrustworthy it folded. But that doesn't mean the other Four are fine, it just means the "Too Big…

> If we took down one of the Big Four it would probably tank the whole world economy

No it wouldn’t.

Re: 1.1.1.1: Fast, privacy-first consumer DNS service

#519

I'm pretty sure that CloudFlare has people working with US intelligence and supply information that cant be used in court, requiring parallel reconstruction..

What is your evidence of this?

I am not allowed to share that information. I now work for a Infosec/Intel company. I've worked on IBM/Watson's days systems, and before that I worked at another Intel Agency. I have terribly worked with Packet Forensics, FBI, Secret Service, and yes... Cloudflare.

Don't be daft.

Re: 1.1.1.1: Fast, privacy-first consumer DNS service

#520
post #122

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You can also use the decimal value of the IP, without the dots: https://16843009

You can also sing that number to the tune of the famous 8675309 song with very little robato.

If you want to memorize the integer, it's not a bad mechanic to use... Why do you hate me?
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