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My parents’ TV has various apps built in and one of them is Skype. They discontinued the Skype service so now every single time the TV turns on it displays a stupid error message about “a problem with an app” that can’t be uninstalled and that they never used. Smart TVs are full of stuff like this. They need to go.

That's why I went with Roku TV. They are the only platform with a consistent track record of supporting old hardware. You also don't suffer from the single vendor lock-in of Tizen or WebOS or the wild west of Android.

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> linking to my tweets is a bad idea because they auto-delete after 14 days. I feel like you should mention that in your bio, it's not standard and breaks conversations. People should know that they should cite you if they want something to be preserved in conversations or when linking.

It's interesting how this post gets more downvotes, as the front-page post "delete tweets older than X days" gets more upvotes. I wonder if this is due to priming.

That seems perfectly explainable by the fact that they're both correlated with time passing, given the possibility that the average HN voter agrees with the deletion of old tweets and disagrees your comment. This explanation has the added advantage of not being decapitated by Occam's Razor, the way your priming proposition is.

Re: My Sony "smart" TV has updated itself and tried to force me to use a new app

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I don't know why people want to buy smart TV when you can plug your computer, over which you have much more control, into a large, dumb, monitor. Opaque operating systems, terrible UIs, security and privacy implications galore. The experience is like going back in time w/r/t using computers and software to enhance your experience.

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I'm the author and linking to my tweets is a bad idea because they auto-delete after 14 days. For future HN context, as the author I'm reproducing them here in full: My @Sony "smart" TV has updated itself and tried to force me to use a new app from https://samba.tv and boy oh boy... this is worse than recent @facebook stuff. From their own privacy policy: https://samba.tv/legal/privacy-policy/ … they track what you w…

> If you have a "Smart TV" from any brand

...you should turn that crap off and replace it with a Roku, Apple TV, Fire TV, or anything else external. The Amazon app on our Vizio was so out of date that it literally couldn't connect to Amazon's API. Later updates fixed Amazon but enabled some flat-out 1984 level spying: https://consumerist.com/2015/11/09/vizio-smart-tvs-are-watch... . That's when I hard reset the TV, banned its MAC from our Wi-Fi, and started treating it exclusively as a dumb display for other devices.

Under no circumstances would I give any smart TV Internet access. It's not that I have great trust for any of the settop box manufacturers (although Apple's been doing a great job here), but I actively distrust all TV manufacturers.

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I'm the author and linking to my tweets is a bad idea because they auto-delete after 14 days. For future HN context, as the author I'm reproducing them here in full: My @Sony "smart" TV has updated itself and tried to force me to use a new app from https://samba.tv and boy oh boy... this is worse than recent @facebook stuff. From their own privacy policy: https://samba.tv/legal/privacy-policy/ … they track what you w…

I wound up having to change my wifi password. Without thinking about it I configured my current TV to join my wifi network. After it so kindly started putting ads on the screen while watching things I turned it off. A few months later, ads again. Somewhere in the bowels of the settings the wifi was reenabled, so I shut it off. A few months later, more ads. In a new place in the settings it was back on. Repeat a few m…

I temporarily set my SSID to some long random string and connected my TV to it. Then I turned off my TV's networking and changed the SSID back to normal. Even if my TV wanted to silently re-enable networking, it wouldn't have a network to connect to.

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How much more crap until Apple think enough is enough. They will make an Apple TV Set purely for themselves.

Why in 2018, we have "Smart TV" that requires so much settings and are not really anyway Smarter for most consumers. We then gives in so much privacy and information before we are allow to use it?

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I'm the author and linking to my tweets is a bad idea because they auto-delete after 14 days. For future HN context, as the author I'm reproducing them here in full: My @Sony "smart" TV has updated itself and tried to force me to use a new app from https://samba.tv and boy oh boy... this is worse than recent @facebook stuff. From their own privacy policy: https://samba.tv/legal/privacy-policy/ … they track what you w…

HN replying to myself with some context outside of the tweets. I actually trust stock Android over Samsung, Sony, etc Android. Hence my "if we're going to have Android TV perhaps Google could supply it without the forced add-ons". I see this similar to installing Windows yourself rather than having "Windows with added vendor crap"... like if you know you want Windows, a stock one is better and same with Android. I'm…

I've paid for streaming for a number of years, while more than half worrying I was just making myself a sucker.

And, sure enough, the libraries have gone downhill while the prices have gone up, and my money seems to just be going to lawyers and technology to ever-more lock things down, while content is balkanized to maximize what I've come to consider rent-seeking.

I'm not interested in a "smart TV". I want good hardware with a lot of hardware connectivity -- preferably open connectivity, but that ship has already sailed in good part. Nonetheless, connectivity I set up and control.

If I'm going to stream, it's going to be out of a separate box, that I can segregate and replace when it's warranted.

If I can get off my duff and do it, it's time for me to stop paying for streaming content and put the money instead towards purchases where I end up with a physical copy, more or less in perpetuity. If, because the media degrade or the playback devices abandon functionality or get more locked down, the lifespan of what I've purchased is limited, I no longer have any qualms -- other than "lead pipe" law enforcement -- about breaking protections and making a sustainable copy.

I feel like a sucker for having put my money into a system that perpetuates these schemes, for too long.

Time to hit eBay for those boxes of DVD's I've heard about, before everyone else catches on and they dry up.

My parents have a somewhat older "smart TV" -- Samsung. Recently, it received an OS update. The UI responsiveness did pick up -- it was halfway abysmal, before. But the picture quality took a major hit. (I'll let Dad fuss with that, as is his wont, if he gets around to it. He doesn't use that TV much.)

This just reinforced for me, that you can't trust these updates nor the software on these things. If it works well as a display device, keep it unconnected and so "dumb" and just pipe stuff in over HDMI.

By the way, it was on a separate "friends" subnet that their wireless router provides. But performance seemed marginal, at times, so it ended up on an Ethernet cable. The router only has physical ports on the main subnet; there went that protection. Ironically, after the OS update, it defaulted to the wireless connection and seemed to perform significantly better with it. It got switched back to the Ethernet connection, but maybe they should undo that, now.

Really with all this stuff, it's coming down to the very basic... "truism", it's proving to be: If they can, they will.

It's up to us, individual users and consumers, to stop them. No one else is.

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A few times at home with my parents, I've used the 'chrome-cast' functionality to view Youtube controlled from my laptop, without any cable hassle. The same thing with Plex worked, but finicky. Somewhere between linux, plex and the TV, there is some compatibility problem.

That 'cast' functionality has improved and enhanced my life more than I expected. It saves significant time, hassle and stress to be able to connect to either of the two main screens in my house from my laptop when I want to show someone what's on my screen (remote desktop in reverse is how I think of it). No redundant searching, or going to the trouble of sending someone a link. Just cast and it's there. However, it…

Some web-apps, like youtube, do the casting for video in a more complicated manner. Rather than actually doing the 'remote desktop in reverse' they essentially instruct the Smart-TV to go to the same video end-point and start streaming. Thus, none of the rendering, decoding or even downloading will be done on your laptop.

This is slightly worse from a control perspective, but quality wise it is great.

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How much more crap until Apple think enough is enough. They will make an Apple TV Set purely for themselves. Why in 2018, we have "Smart TV" that requires so much settings and are not really anyway Smarter for most consumers. We then gives in so much privacy and information before we are allow to use it?

Apple is not the solution here.

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I got a Smart LG TV with my LG G5 years ago (for 'free' with the purchase of my phone) and I don't give it Wi-Fi credentials. I bought a Mi Box Android TV from WalMart instead and hook that up to the internet. I rather my TV be as dumb as possible so I can replace the device I use to access Netflix without having to throw out my whole TV. It doesn't have Android TV it has some LG thing but regardless I rather keep my TV dumb altogether.

I have no guarantee my TV wont spy on me through my wireless network tomorrow (if not today). I have no true guarantee that my TV wont become exploitable to some botnet either. I rather be able to take my Android TV device and unplug it and still be able to use my TV with a DVD player if it came down to my device being exploited somehow.

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