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My Sony "smart" TV has updated itself and tried to force me to use a new app

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Re: My Sony "smart" TV has updated itself and tried to force me to use a new app

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GDPR will hopefully make companies that do things like this really sweat. The EU doesn’t seem to be fucking around with that one.

GDPR only increases engineering and compliance costs. It doesn’t have any consumer-side impact since to a first approximation, zero consumers take advantage of data privacy laws.

One significant advantage that comes with GDPR is the fact that users will be able to opt-out from any tracking that is not required for the service to function.

Re: My Sony "smart" TV has updated itself and tried to force me to use a new app

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I am quite angry that my PS4 is full of ads. I paid money for that box. What I want is a law that requires a product to clearly indicate if it has ads or not in the software, and it cannot change at any point in the product's life. So I know what the price tag actually is. Edit: I want to be clear. I am not against advertising or the freedom for a manufacturer to decide that advertising is their business model. What…

Google does this too with Android. Maps now pops up ads for local businesses every time I open it. I paid money for a phone which did not have ads on it, and now they have added ads via a software update. It's infuriating.

Google Maps is primarily a business directory. The map feature is secondary.

Re: My Sony "smart" TV has updated itself and tried to force me to use a new app

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Try it. I did. I couldn't find a non-smart TV. They are everywhere. If you want the 4k, then you have a smart TV. The best alternatives were super large monitors (way over the price of a TV, and with no decent sound built in), or corporate display panels (for advertising, signage, etc) whose prices are also way above a TV and include no sound system at all.

Is it dangerous to open a modern TV? Might be worth finding the network chips and disconnecting or breaking them off.

It's not as dangerous as a CRT, but there are some dangers; however it doesn't really matter. They're tightly integrated, you can't just pull out the smart bits and leave behind a tuner.

Generally most modern TVs are gonna have a power supply, a main logic board, a display driver board and maybe another control board for stuff like backlights or sound. The logic board is basically gonna be an embedded mini computer running a full embedded OS that orchestrates the UI/smart features, decoding the inputs and generating the control signals for the panel driver. This will all be highly integrated on a single board, probably with almost all of the functionality in one or two main chips. Point being, you can't just yank out the smart stuff and still have a functioning TV. It'd be a bit like trying to remove a feature from a computer motherboard.

The ideal way to go about it would be to write your own firmware for the chips, but that's a practical impossibility because almost always there's no data publicly available on the chips or the other parts like the panel. You might also be able to get something working if the actual panel uses a standard interface, but it'll be a ton of work.

There aren't that many teardowns of televisions online that I can find, but this article has some to give you an idea.

https://www.techrepublic.com/pictures/cracking-open-the-55-s...

Re: My Sony "smart" TV has updated itself and tried to force me to use a new app

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I'm fairly certain the smart features are what's subsidizing current TVs and making them relatively cheap. Last time I checked dumb TVs were reserved for the more high end part of the maker's lineup (if at all available). So, yes, you're still paying, but you get a price cut in exchange for being … productized?

I bought a 32-inch dumb TV just a couple of weeks ago. It was only $77US, on clearance at Walmart from $129US. The brand is Element, which I'm unfamiliar with, but it works nicely and has absolutely no smart capabilities. So you can find dumb TVs on the low end these days if you look for them.

This one? https://www.walmart.com/ip/Element-ELEFW328-32-720p-60Hz-Cla...

So, a small, 720p TV? In other words, a TV most people don't want? I fail to see how that's an alternative when I'm looking for a 60" 4K model, not to mention I have no idea what the quality of the device will be.

Re: My Sony "smart" TV has updated itself and tried to force me to use a new app

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The meme of "if you're not paying, you are the product" is, of course, true, but it doesn't acknowledge the host of cases when you are the product even if you're paying . This guy basically paid to be spied on.

I'm fairly certain the smart features are what's subsidizing current TVs and making them relatively cheap. Last time I checked dumb TVs were reserved for the more high end part of the maker's lineup (if at all available). So, yes, you're still paying, but you get a price cut in exchange for being … productized?

Non-smart TVs from the major brands are reserved to their enterprise line-up, that's why they're more expensive.

I worked at Samsung and given how much they poured into Tizen and the various in-house services for SmartHub, I guarantee they aren't making any significant money from them. They have zero leverage with apps for services that people consider a given (like Netflix). And a lot of smaller partnerships don't end well (see Peel for instance).

I'm not sure about brands that went with Android TV, but Google is pretty smart in such partnerships and fully takes advantage of the fact that OEMs like Sony don't have the internal resources to come up even with a half-decent OS.

Questionable updates that push things like samba.tv are probably a (poor) afterthought.

Re: My Sony "smart" TV has updated itself and tried to force me to use a new app

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I plug my "smart" TV into ethernet now and then to get firmware updates, then unplug it the rest of the time.

Why do you need firmware updates for a TV not connected?

In my case, it fixed a random black screen Vizio e48u-d0 with an intel NUC pushing 4k 29hz.

Re: My Sony "smart" TV has updated itself and tried to force me to use a new app

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Is it dangerous to open a modern TV? Might be worth finding the network chips and disconnecting or breaking them off.

It's usually a single-board highly integrated solution; CPU, RAM, Flash. You might be able to disable the wifi (if present).

Funny how they do this with TVs, but even on a Macbook Air, the flash and wifi cards are still separate components.

Re: My Sony "smart" TV has updated itself and tried to force me to use a new app

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Android tracks you less than iOS. You don't even need to create an account to use an Android TV or an Android phone.

ha Android does not track you less than iOS and google can infer who you are using your ip address

Is also worth remembering that all phones track you and that people who have access to the mast data can do stuff like this - https://ubicomplab.cs.washington.edu/pdfs/wibreathe.pdf

Re: My Sony "smart" TV has updated itself and tried to force me to use a new app

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Android tracks you less than iOS. You don't even need to create an account to use an Android TV or an Android phone.

ha Android does not track you less than iOS and google can infer who you are using your ip address

And you have to 'activate' an iOS device with a SIM card. No such need for any android device.
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