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Re: My Sony "smart" TV has updated itself and tried to force me to use a new app

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to be honest, sony have a track record of doing this. bought a music CD or games? get a rootkit. if you still buy sony products, I can't be sory for you.

Any good tv recommendation, if not Sony?

Not Samsung.

I've been reasonably happy with my Panasonic.

Re: My Sony "smart" TV has updated itself and tried to force me to use a new app

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to be honest, sony have a track record of doing this. bought a music CD or games? get a rootkit. if you still buy sony products, I can't be sory for you.

Any good tv recommendation, if not Sony?

Hmm, I remember going through this debate awhile ago and settled on Vizio.

Re: My Sony "smart" TV has updated itself and tried to force me to use a new app

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I am quite angry that my PS4 is full of ads. I paid money for that box. What I want is a law that requires a product to clearly indicate if it has ads or not in the software, and it cannot change at any point in the product's life. So I know what the price tag actually is. Edit: I want to be clear. I am not against advertising or the freedom for a manufacturer to decide that advertising is their business model. What…

The money you paid for your PS4 barely covers manufacturing costs.

Has it not been that way since the days of the PS1?

The cost of games is like printers and ink. The hardware is the loss leader more than made up for by the "subscription" to those over-priced consumables.

There was anger and upset, and many articles in dead-tree magazines at the change in the expected price of full games, and sheer greed of manufacturers, during the launch phase of those consoles.

Ads were another bait and switch for yet more greed.

Re: My Sony "smart" TV has updated itself and tried to force me to use a new app

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I just picked up a 55" TV, and the troubles I had explaining I did not want any "Smart" features was like explaining to morons that smoking is bad for you. The store had no commission on the sale, but the sales people, all of them, could not understand why I'd not want TV apps and Internet.

Same story, but one more caveat: When I'm playing a game a nice "Youtube encountered an error and needs to be close [ok] [report]" dialog pops up in the dead center of the screen.

Why is youtube running? Apparently the TV is an Android base, but I have no information on how to flash it because if I could turn it into something not Sony produced I'd be a lot happier.

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Another annoyance is that it /really/ wants me to use speech to text in everything, but the TV has (thankfully) no mic.... Why!?

Re: My Sony "smart" TV has updated itself and tried to force me to use a new app

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am quite angry that my PS4 is full of ads. I paid money for that box. What I want is a law that requires a product to clearly indicate if it has ads or not in the software, and it cannot change at any point in the product's life. So I know what the price tag actually is. Edit: I want to be clear. I am not against advertising or the freedom for a manufacturer to decide that advertising is their business model. What…

The money you paid for your PS4 barely covers manufacturing costs.

That is their problem.

Ads are not an acceptable solution.

Re: My Sony "smart" TV has updated itself and tried to force me to use a new app

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The money you paid for your PS4 barely covers manufacturing costs.

And that's our problem... how? Sony makes money off every video game sale; attempting to get more from ads is just greedy. And how they present the ads as another game a very dark pattern.

>And that's our problem... how?

Isn't it obvious? That's the buyers problem because any time they "buy" something for less than it actually costs, they actually get an ad/app/service subsidized experience.

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Any good tv recommendation, if not Sony?

Hmm, I remember going through this debate awhile ago and settled on Vizio.

Vizio may not be such a great choice: https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/blogs/business-blog/2017/02/...

Re: My Sony "smart" TV has updated itself and tried to force me to use a new app

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The money you paid for your PS4 barely covers manufacturing costs.

That is their problem. Ads are not an acceptable solution.

By definition, if they are actually accepted by their customers, then yes, they are.

And since customers continue to buy PS4s it appears that they are (accepted).

Re: My Sony "smart" TV has updated itself and tried to force me to use a new app

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> From their own privacy policy: https://samba.tv/legal/privacy-policy/ they track what you watch, when you watch it, your location, your interactions with other apps. And they share this with... well, everyone basically.

I wonder how the GDPR will affect companies like Samba's business model.

Also, isn't this effectively true of all internet connected TVs since they will never receive security patches and become part of the botnet of things?

Re: My Sony "smart" TV has updated itself and tried to force me to use a new app

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I am quite angry that my PS4 is full of ads. I paid money for that box. What I want is a law that requires a product to clearly indicate if it has ads or not in the software, and it cannot change at any point in the product's life. So I know what the price tag actually is. Edit: I want to be clear. I am not against advertising or the freedom for a manufacturer to decide that advertising is their business model. What…

The money you paid for your PS4 barely covers manufacturing costs.

Which Sony makes up for with all the content, network fees and accessories a PS4 owner must buy so that their initial purchase has utility beyond being a $300 Netflix machine.
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