How about youtube? Is there any law specifying website must delete the data user choose to remove?
Facebook Secretly Saved Videos Users Deleted
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#242Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why would you believe them after they have lied to you once already?
This is why: https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/press-releases/2014/12/ftc-a... https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/12/snapchats-privac...
Nothing in those articles suggest that Snapchat purged user data.
> “resolved most of those concerns over the past year by improving the wording of our privacy policy, app description, and in-app just-in-time notifications.”
Snapchat just changed their messaging to quell user concerns. Once they have a critical mass of users, they are immune to disclosing that Snapchat messages are not truly ephemeral.
Re: Facebook Secretly Saved Videos Users Deleted
#243You mean they follow what many people consider best practices? https://softwareengineering.stackexchange.com/questions/1592... https://stackoverflow.com/questions/820466/never-delete-entr... https://serverfault.com/questions/31455/should-i-ever-delete... https://www.infoq.com/news/2009/09/Do-Not-Delete-Data http://udidahan.com/2009/09/01/dont-delete-just-dont/ https://stackoverflow.com/questions/2549839/are-soft-dele…
"best" practices...
...as if I didn't already have enough reasons to hate that cliche, thought-terminating phrase... every situation is unique and figuring out what exactly to do for your particular one is probably the main purpose of being a software engineer.
Re: Facebook Secretly Saved Videos Users Deleted
#244You mean they follow what many people consider best practices? https://softwareengineering.stackexchange.com/questions/1592... https://stackoverflow.com/questions/820466/never-delete-entr... https://serverfault.com/questions/31455/should-i-ever-delete... https://www.infoq.com/news/2009/09/Do-Not-Delete-Data http://udidahan.com/2009/09/01/dont-delete-just-dont/ https://stackoverflow.com/questions/2549839/are-soft-dele…
Does this make it right, because others are doing it? I’d say it depends heavily on the type of data and the user expectation. The correct thing would be to flag as deleted for a sensible period of time (to be able to undo for the user) and then get rid of it after X days when it clearly isn’t needed anymore.
I'm mostly curious how many people are posting angrily about Facebook retaining data while taking a break from implementing a system that retains data.
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#245Secretly? Secretly from whom? There is nothing I've come across, ever, that has lead me to believe that Facebook, Google, Amazon, etc., ever delete anything, ever. Not even to clean up space as some people on this thread are suggesting. Hard drive space is cheap and data is valuable. This isn't a secret, this is a fairly obvious business practice that all the big players, and most competent small players, are engagin…
FWIW, Facebook does say that they will delete all of your data within 90 days of account deletion. I believe that indicates that they've put the engineering effort to do a full audit of data to be deleted, handle missing references across the product, and to fully delete user data from logs and backups. From https://www.facebook.com/help/250563911970368 : > When you delete your account, people won't be able to see it…
Fucking stupid policy - so they have 90 days to off load your shit to Utah/gov-cloud before they “delete” your data?
Who can possibly believe this BS.
Imagine you wanted to delete data of your own Sustem - but when you hit rm it takes 90 days to execute - this sentiment PISSES me off.
When I say “delete me from your service now” I have a reasonable expectation that you will delete it.
C’mon
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#247Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes there are, but there are no moral reasons to not comply with it.
Why, to help people connect better of course...
There might be something to that, in the sense that I could very well see someone in a meeting ask 'well, but what do we do when another user is tagged in a photo' followed by discussion rationalising why that person shouldn't lose out because someone wants to delete data, and someone coming up with the 'solution' of effectively reference counting the data and figuring out when to actually purge the underlying file later (i.e. never)
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#248One fascinating outcome of all this fallout is that there's now a readymade excuse to stop using Facebook. My personal observations are that a good number of people have felt 'fatigued' by Facebook for a very long time, but were also unsure of how best to extricate themselves without incurring a social penalty. But now there's an impetus that most people can understand. I'm not sure about how many people will move aw…
If you truly want privacy and security I would recommend Signal over Telegram -- Telegram has had some controversy with respect to their encryption protocol not being audited, as well as some weird stuff with a very large recent ICO that seems entirely unnecessary except as a money grab and Russian subpoenas for their master private keys.
> and Russian subpoenas for their master private keys.
While I cannit defend (or attack, I'm no cryptographer) their crypto they seem to have a solution to this:
They say they don't store keys in the same datacenter or even jurisdiction as the customer data they protect.
According to them this means getting unencrypted data through a legal process would mean getting a warrant in two or more countries at once.
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#249Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I am sure that the deletion of media files in services like Facebook has never meant to be absolute. Many of my colleagues believe the same thing that I believe: Facebook and other services do not actually delete data, they just mark it as "deleted" and purge it only if they need the space. No reason to believe. You can read about the storage architecture used to store photos from a post in 2009 here: https://code.…
Allow me to ask the obvious question. Who doesn't do the something like this? Not to alleviate facebook of blame, but who's to say data on almost every other social media service isn't also just flagged for deletion?
We don't soft delete payloads at Raygun (https://raygun.com), for the very fact that typically if one of our customers wants to delete something it's because they might have sent something they don't want a third party to have. We have filters and other PII filtering tools etc, but it every now and then something might be sent by mistake.
Having said that, you'd be amazed how often folks ask for things to be undeleted (despite a big warning dialog).
Clearly developers pervasively believe soft deletes are occurring everywhere.
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I've never had a Facebook account, but friends have told me that no, there is not. That would go against their user and content retention models, I'm sure. It makes sense that Facebook would make it as difficult, tedious, and painful as possible to delete content from their platform.
We should create a browser extension for that.
There used to be this Android app, Exfoliate, which I used to delete old content. It no longer works.
https://www.androidauthority.com/exfoliate-facebook-app-revi...