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OVH CEO: Unlike Amazon, Google, “we will never be in competition with you”

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Re: OVH CEO: Unlike Amazon, Google, “we will never be in competition with you”

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What's the best cdn right now? Cloudfront is just expensive as hell.

Alright, I'll go through the list. * Cloudfront would be great for the North America and Europe they only charged for the bandwidth (those prices are reasonable), but charging for the HTTP request (and the huge premium on HTTPS). The bandwidth prices outside of those areas are absolutely awful though. * Akamai makes Cloudfront look cheap. * Cloudflare has ethical concerns that keep me away from them. * Fastly is susc…

> * Akamai makes Cloudfront look cheap.

Their list pricing does but they’ve matched or beat AWS in the past. This is by far my least favorite part of the enterprise sales model but if you can haggle it pays off.

Re: OVH CEO: Unlike Amazon, Google, “we will never be in competition with you”

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It's a distinction without a difference though. If you use 1TB of data on Amazon or on OVH, and one service costs you $x and the other costs you 20% of $x you've got the same service for less money.

Your cheap OVH bandwidth is paid for by overcharging less intensive users. Since Amazon charges exactly what you use, it’s a great deal if you’re below average, and a bad deal if you’re above average.

It's exactly the same model used by fitness clubs worldwide. And Comcast cable Internet, Google Fiber, every DSL provider, even every cellular data provider.

Current true bandwidth costs about $0.50 (50 USD cents) per Mbps, per month, sometimes even less.

Average 1 month usage of a 1Mbps link that has Internet traffic on it is about 175-210GBytes.

Literally less than 1/3rd of 1 penny, per GB of data.

Re: OVH CEO: Unlike Amazon, Google, “we will never be in competition with you”

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You can't discount first mover advantage. From your own example, Swype had immense mind and market share for many years, even after Google, Microsoft and others released their own alternatives. They were eventually bought out for over $100 million.

Eventually, I get a new phone. I'm certainly not going to go after Swype if Gboard has its only USP built right in (and better overall integration)

Pretty much this.

I used Swype for a while. IIRC they were not helping themselves : you had to reinstall the app after a while because it would automatically stop working.

I also personally disliked how the keyboard looked with swype.

When the default keyboard started having this feature, there was no point in installing this bothersome app anymore.

Re: OVH CEO: Unlike Amazon, Google, “we will never be in competition with you”

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We run a chunk on OVH too. It is over 100X cheaper than AWS. We have had some issues though. OVH had two major outages in the last two years. Our strategy has been to build a more robust distributed architecture and use these issues to be "antifragile," which improves our product while as still saving money. Over time I expect OVH to become more solid as they mature.

You should get some boxes from other EU vendors as well. Don't put all your eggs in the same basket. Unless your work load is very unpredictable I don't see why people use AWS, "serverless" and platform lockin.

I thought people go with serverless so they don't have to deal with ops?

Re: OVH CEO: Unlike Amazon, Google, “we will never be in competition with you”

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Important notes about OVH: -I'm a customer for about ~2 years. -I was "just" using OVH object storage, and was considering other OVH services. -I'm all about "cheap,cheap,cheap" -OVH is super-cheap, which is good. -I want OVH to "win". OVH doesn't want to "win". Because.. -OVH is super-confusing. Interface, website, billing, everything. -website uses esoteric design conventions. A European thing? I don't know. -feels…

> -I was "just" using OVH object storage [...] > -I'm all about "cheap,cheap,cheap" Have you looked at wasabi.com? They are much cheaper than just about anyone for object store. OVH is 0.0112/GB/mo and Wasabi is 0.0049/GB/mo.

Have you used wasabi? Is it usable in the US? I've tried it once before, and today, but the speeds are still completely unusable for me (in Northern EU). Would be awesome if they had some regions closer to me.

Re: OVH CEO: Unlike Amazon, Google, “we will never be in competition with you”

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Yet :) Microsoft was famous for doing the same thing: http://www.paulgraham.com/road.html > There is all the more reason for startups to write Web-based software now, because writing desktop software has become a lot less fun. If you want to write desktop software now you do it on Microsoft's terms, calling their APIs and working around their buggy OS. And if you manage to write something that takes off, you may find…

Yeah, the notion that Microsoft is now the safe, cuddly tech company is mindblowing. They fucked so, so many people over: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_litigation#Private

  Spyglass, which licensed its browser to Microsoft in return for a percentage 
  of each sale; Microsoft turned the browser into Internet Explorer and bundled 
  it with Windows, giving it away to gain market share but effectively 
  destroying any chance of Spyglass making money from the deal they had signed 
  with Microsoft; Spyglass sued for deception and won a $8 million settlement.
Woah!

Re: OVH CEO: Unlike Amazon, Google, “we will never be in competition with you”

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Important notes about OVH: -I'm a customer for about ~2 years. -I was "just" using OVH object storage, and was considering other OVH services. -I'm all about "cheap,cheap,cheap" -OVH is super-cheap, which is good. -I want OVH to "win". OVH doesn't want to "win". Because.. -OVH is super-confusing. Interface, website, billing, everything. -website uses esoteric design conventions. A European thing? I don't know. -feels…

> -OVH is super-confusing. Interface, website, billing, everything.

This times a hundred. I'd keep running into tasks that DIDN'T WORK on the web UI and was told to use the API, but then the API didn't work because of the region I was in and I had to use an older version or a different command that did seemingly the same thing or...

Re: OVH CEO: Unlike Amazon, Google, “we will never be in competition with you”

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AWS bandwidth costs are obscene. They compete on price so well on most other fronts, but for some reason they just completely overcharge on bandwidth. It makes using them without a CDN cost prohibitive and drives a lot of use cases away from them.

>for some reason they just completely overcharge on bandwidth People say this about AWS/GCP/Azure. They are so willing to compete on cost on everything else that it seems odd like this would be true, so I have a different theory: OVH/etc are all able to massively oversell bandwidth. Most customers do not use it. This is fine, and not anything I think they're doing wrong! But the "Big 3" are all about automatically sc…

So what about the cdns? They're all overselling too? Otherwise they'd obviously have to charge amazon prices?

From eg Hetzner and other less affordable hosts (and from second hand comments here on hn about bandwidth is where amazon has ridiculously high margins) - I'll venture that the "cloud" providers get away with it because on average "actual" bandwidth correlate with "actual" usage: and hence correlate with actual users that pay or are worth paying "for".

I get 30tb/month bw with my 50/month hetzner dedicated server (along with 1gps uplink). And I can actually use that.

I can't even see backing stuff up to a typical "cloud" provider, because testing restore of a single tb of data/month would be too expensive.

Re: OVH CEO: Unlike Amazon, Google, “we will never be in competition with you”

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just curious - any particular reason to not enable gzip compression for responses?

$ curl -s https://wtfismyip.com/text|wc -c 16 $ curl -s https://wtfismyip.com/text|gzip -|wc -c 36

So..8tb vs 4tb? If paying for bw.. Seems reasonable?

Re: OVH CEO: Unlike Amazon, Google, “we will never be in competition with you”

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$ curl -s https://wtfismyip.com/text|wc -c 16 $ curl -s https://wtfismyip.com/text|gzip -|wc -c 36

So..8tb vs 4tb? If paying for bw.. Seems reasonable?

The gzip version is actually the larger of the two.
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