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Re: Facebook Secretly Saved Videos Users Deleted

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jlmorton wrote: post #103
WovenTales wrote: post #33

The most unsettling part is in Facebook's response: “We’ve heard that when accessing their information from our Download Your Information tool, some people are seeing their old videos that do not appear on their profile or Activity Log. We are investigating.” Who wants to bet against their investigation being “how to keep users from seeing it.” Anyone?

I honestly don't understand this cynicism. Facebook does not want your deleted video, and they certainly don't want to keep it given the current media frenzy, with the CEO under fire. Every application of any complexity has features which inactivate, but don't delete data. At Facebook scale, deleting data is non-trivial, and it would be impossible to immediately delete something. We all have bugs, including extremely…

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Re: Facebook Secretly Saved Videos Users Deleted

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Post by teddyh »

jononor wrote: post #110
stale2002 wrote: post #50

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Exactly this. Who even supports FB? The media? No, they hate them because they took all their ad revenue. Republicans? No, they hate them for the censorship controversy that happened a year or so ago, and because it is full of ultra left wing silicon Valley types. Democrats? No, they hate them for the whole Cambridge analytica, Russian data thing. Facebook has made a lot of enemies, and there really isn't any sort of…

Bunch of companies get a lot of their customers through Facebok. Those will probably support (finanically and otherwise) FB as long as there are no obviously better ways to get customers. Not for any sentimental reason, just because their business relies on it.

Not necessarily. Businesses are usually fine with making things worse for themselves if it also impacts all of their competitors, preferably even more. That is, as long as a business comes out a bit more ahead of their competitors, a business is usually just fine with making something worse for everybody.

So, even if a business currently gets a lot of revenue from Facebook, as long as a business thinks that other businesses in their field are more dependent on Facebook than they themselves are, they should be fine with Facebook declining.

Re: Facebook Secretly Saved Videos Users Deleted

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Post by benwilber0 »

jlmorton wrote: post #103
WovenTales wrote: post #33

The most unsettling part is in Facebook's response: “We’ve heard that when accessing their information from our Download Your Information tool, some people are seeing their old videos that do not appear on their profile or Activity Log. We are investigating.” Who wants to bet against their investigation being “how to keep users from seeing it.” Anyone?

I honestly don't understand this cynicism. Facebook does not want your deleted video, and they certainly don't want to keep it given the current media frenzy, with the CEO under fire. Every application of any complexity has features which inactivate, but don't delete data. At Facebook scale, deleting data is non-trivial, and it would be impossible to immediately delete something. We all have bugs, including extremely…

I agree with you.

At Facebook-scale the data is massive -- far bigger than anyone here could possibly comprehend and that includes the Facebook and Google-ers lurking around.

Data has incredible inertia. And when there's a lot of it, in a lot of different places, I can imagine that it becomes very difficult to keep track of.

I'm glad that Facebook's data export tool included some things that maybe it didn't expect to.

Re: Facebook Secretly Saved Videos Users Deleted

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Post by m-p-3 »

It's kind of unsurprising. As soon as you upload some data into another system that you do not fully control, you can't really expect or trust the other party to discard it because you want to.

Unless there's a good an easy way to store that kind of data and share it with End-to-End encryption (and the server NEVER has access to those keys) so that only authorized users can view the plain data, that problem will remain.

Re: Facebook Secretly Saved Videos Users Deleted

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Post by sgtmas2006 »

paulie_a wrote: post #59
pishpash wrote: post #37

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When storage is cheap, it's rational to develop the delete flag first and think about cleanup later, which means never. The download content thing seems like a low priority project and the poor intern who probably did it didn't want to figure out how each store keeps the delete flag. At least it's honest. Would you be surprised a dd of your sd card showed your deleted photos?

Storage being cheap is irrelevant..when a user requests the data to be deleted. You delete it. Outside of government compliance there is no reason to not comply with that request

Yes there are, but there are no moral reasons to not comply with it.

Re: Facebook Secretly Saved Videos Users Deleted

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Post by kbsletten »

paulie_a wrote: post #59
pishpash wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When storage is cheap, it's rational to develop the delete flag first and think about cleanup later, which means never. The download content thing seems like a low priority project and the poor intern who probably did it didn't want to figure out how each store keeps the delete flag. At least it's honest. Would you be surprised a dd of your sd card showed your deleted photos?

Storage being cheap is irrelevant..when a user requests the data to be deleted. You delete it. Outside of government compliance there is no reason to not comply with that request

That's not true. What if you want to support un-delete? That's a reason.

Re: Facebook Secretly Saved Videos Users Deleted

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Post by bigiain »

paulie_a wrote: post #59
pishpash wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When storage is cheap, it's rational to develop the delete flag first and think about cleanup later, which means never. The download content thing seems like a low priority project and the poor intern who probably did it didn't want to figure out how each store keeps the delete flag. At least it's honest. Would you be surprised a dd of your sd card showed your deleted photos?

Storage being cheap is irrelevant..when a user requests the data to be deleted. You delete it. Outside of government compliance there is no reason to not comply with that request

When a _customer_ requests data to be deleted, you delete it. Pretty sure Facebook have probably complied with every user-data-deletion request they've ever got from their paying customers - because advertisers are well know for wanting access to less data about the cattle...

Re: Facebook Secretly Saved Videos Users Deleted

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Post by bigiain »

fakescience wrote: post #139
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #9

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Facebook is powerful and insular. Taking it down requires extraordinary organisation. Outrage is helpful in that respect. Agreement is better than disagreement. Would I prefer we had agreement earlier? Yes. Is agreement today better than agreement tomorrow? Absolutely. Now that we have a constituency, the important thing is to mobilise. The past is in the past. Our job, in the present, is to protect the future.

Call for a facebook user strike on May 1st. #May1FBstrike https://medium.com/@oddbert2000/call-for-a-facebook-users-st...

Excellent - they'll be able to offer advertised another demographic category "People who are vocally privacy conscious, but who aren't prepared to do anything about preserving it if it means they don't get to play Farmville."

Antivirus vendors and shitty vpn services will be all over that.

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