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Re: Facebook Secretly Saved Videos Users Deleted

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Is there not a way to delete all posts and comments at once?

I've never had a Facebook account, but friends have told me that no, there is not. That would go against their user and content retention models, I'm sure. It makes sense that Facebook would make it as difficult, tedious, and painful as possible to delete content from their platform.

We should create a browser extension for that.

Re: Facebook Secretly Saved Videos Users Deleted

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I have no such duty. I'll teach my kids when they get a bit older, but trying to teach adult friends is an unrewarding exercise in futily (mansplaining even).

>mansplaining even

I am fascinated to know how you are going to wedge gender politics sideways into this completely gender neutral conversation.

I agree that talking data storage strategies to people that aren't interested is unrewarding, but please mansplain to me how explaining technical concepts is mansplaining? Ideally, also define mansplaining in the process.

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This reminds me of the long conversations that I used to have with family members and friends several years ago. With their continuous requests to create my own Facebook profile so I can keep in contact with them and with their activities as well as to share my whereabouts. I always used the same argument to reject these suggestions — "I don't want Facebook to have too much data about me, more than the data that you…

> expecting a non-tech-savvy person to understand how data moves around the Internet Then we - the people that do have the necessary technical knowledge - have a duty to teach them what they need to know. This isn't necessarily "how data moves on the internet". Yes, this can be difficult and tedious, but understanding the risk profile for data/networks is increasingly important as networks become involved in everythi…

I don't think it's because they don't understand or because they don't care, it's just overwhelming. Think about it, to have any basic grasp of understanding regarding the security infrastructure of the internet you need to have a basic understanding of network connections, how HTTPS works, how files are stored on your computer, how files are sent across computers, how your average database works etc...

Think about the last time you've tried tinkering with something you're a noob at. Maybe it's deciding that you would try fixing your car engine yourself even though you never were a mechanic. Maybe you decided to make a complicated cake and halfway through you realize that you overestimated your pastry skills. Try to remember the feeling of helplessness you felt at that moment, the "I have no idea what I'm doing and I wish I never had started that in the first place". In my experience that's how 90% of people feel like when trying to do something technical with a computer.

A few weeks ago a colleague from HR asked me if I could make a backup of a computer because it contained some critical stuff and she wanted to be able to restore it later if necessary. I say okay, boot up a debian live USB stick I had lying around and start dd'ing the drive to external storage. When I told her the copy was in progress she told me "but I didn't give you the password?". She was amazed when I told her that I didn't need the windows session password to access the data on the disc. I swear I'm not making it up when I say that she asked me if I was a "hacker".

That made me realize that there are probably many people out there who think their files are safe as long as their Windows password isn't compromised even if the disc is not encrypted. After all, they can't access the files, so surely nobody else can? If Facebook says my photo is deleted, then surely it must be? Why wouldn't it be?

I don't think it's fair to blame these people, we've designed so many strange patterns over the past decades in software that it's difficult to keep track. Maybe having "delete" not actually delete should be considered a dark pattern. Maybe it should even be illegal.

Re: Facebook Secretly Saved Videos Users Deleted

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This reminds me of the long conversations that I used to have with family members and friends several years ago. With their continuous requests to create my own Facebook profile so I can keep in contact with them and with their activities as well as to share my whereabouts. I always used the same argument to reject these suggestions — "I don't want Facebook to have too much data about me, more than the data that you…

>Unfortunately, expecting a non-tech-savvy person to understand how data moves around the Internet

Explain how data can be unreadable while it moves. Teach them to use secure communication options. You don't need to be an electric engineer to use a TV remote control.

Re: Facebook Secretly Saved Videos Users Deleted

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post #45

This reminds me of the long conversations that I used to have with family members and friends several years ago. With their continuous requests to create my own Facebook profile so I can keep in contact with them and with their activities as well as to share my whereabouts. I always used the same argument to reject these suggestions — "I don't want Facebook to have too much data about me, more than the data that you…

> expecting a non-tech-savvy person to understand how data moves around the Internet Then we - the people that do have the necessary technical knowledge - have a duty to teach them what they need to know. This isn't necessarily "how data moves on the internet". Yes, this can be difficult and tedious, but understanding the risk profile for data/networks is increasingly important as networks become involved in everythi…

And how would we do that? Every time I've tried to explain privacy issues to non tech individuals at best they consider me paranoid and at worse a fucking sociopath who doesn't have a FB profile because I can't correlate with other people. I can't carry this burden and I doubt many can.

There have been horror stories over the years about identity theft, even before the emergence of social media. Has this stopped anyone outside our community from posting details about their lives online? I hardly think this whole situation with FB will change anything in the end.

I don't feel I have any obligation/duty towards anyone. If they want my opinion or ask me about an issue I'll gladly inform them. But I won't start a crusade for a better informed society. Internet was supposed to do that and we ended up with videos of cats and wannabe celebrities posing seminude pics on Instagram. Fuck that shit.

Re: Facebook Secretly Saved Videos Users Deleted

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Actually, GDPR only requires that any links from the data to the user should be destroyed, so that you can no longer figure out who created the data. This means that a lot of data will be left. And realistically I think that a lot of it will remain identifiable, just like anonymized data can be traced back to real users pretty easily if you have enough data points.

Actually, GDPR only requires that any links from the data to the user should be destroyed, so that you can no longer figure out who created the data. Not in this case, because if the photos or videos contain recognisable people then they are themselves personal data. How far the new subjects rights involving data deletion will go in practice is one of the biggest unknowns with the GDPR. Clearly from a technical point…

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Re: Facebook Secretly Saved Videos Users Deleted

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Exactly this. Who even supports FB? The media? No, they hate them because they took all their ad revenue. Republicans? No, they hate them for the censorship controversy that happened a year or so ago, and because it is full of ultra left wing silicon Valley types. Democrats? No, they hate them for the whole Cambridge analytica, Russian data thing. Facebook has made a lot of enemies, and there really isn't any sort of…

Still, absent an adequate replacement people will continue to stay there.

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"The guy who was showing me around pointed out where they were building "apartments for our people to live". "So they'll work on campus, they'll eat on campus, they'll socialise on campus and now they'll sleep on campus?" I asked. I wondered whether maybe that was kind of unhealthy. Creepy, even. My guide looked right at me, and for a moment, his megawatt smile faltered. When he first worked there, it reminded him of…

While this may sound creepy for a foreigner, getting a decent apartment in the SF Bay Area is really expensive and the commutes are horrible. So in this context, that could be a good thing.

Re: Facebook Secretly Saved Videos Users Deleted

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"The guy who was showing me around pointed out where they were building "apartments for our people to live". "So they'll work on campus, they'll eat on campus, they'll socialise on campus and now they'll sleep on campus?" I asked. I wondered whether maybe that was kind of unhealthy. Creepy, even. My guide looked right at me, and for a moment, his megawatt smile faltered. When he first worked there, it reminded him of…

Well tbh Asian companies have done this to great success.
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