Btw why do we think that the downloadable archive contains everything they have? Because they said so?
Just add a bool field to the table "canExport".
Facebook Secretly Saved Videos Users Deleted
51–60 of 405 posts
Re: Facebook Secretly Saved Videos Users Deleted
#52Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't think pointing out how disconnected half of the userbase here is is unsubstantive. 99% of people who use Facebook has not the fainstest idea of what Facebook is doing, why they're doing it, and why it might be wrong. Still, on each of these threads the top comment invariably starts with "why is anyone surprised that.. etc". I could find you links to prove my point, but I'm can't believe you're not aware of th…
HN users live in this weird Silicon Valley bubble that is divorced from the real world..
Only about 10% of HN users are in Silicon Valley, and many of those are critical of it.
Re: Facebook Secretly Saved Videos Users Deleted
#53This (and the GDPR - even though my company is in the US) are why I now tell the developers on my team to not collect info unless they have a definitive use case as to why to store it.
And make sure to delete delete data as soon as it is no longer needed.
It helps that my business doesn't monetize via advertising.
My guess is what actually happened here is that they had a use case to store it for a few hours or so (incase, say the user changed their mind about posting it) and no one ever bothered to write a cleanup script because "storage is cheap" and possibly "maybe we might have a use case for it someday"
I can't imagine this being intentionally. Even if I try to consider malicious use cases I can't think of any where it would be beneficial for Facebook to actually store this data besides being too lazy to clean it up.
Edit: Wow. Who new applying Hanlon's razor to this would get me downvoted so badly? I'm going to leave this here unedited and eat the downvotes of the people on an anti-facebook warpath because I think it is important to state that we as people who make tech products often take short cuts (like avoiding dev work because it is cheaper to just keep data in storage) and we need to stop doing that. There is plenty of stuff Facebook does that is beyond the pale but this one is more likely contributed to lazyness, and if you are going to downvote me without explaining why you are not contributing to the conversation.
Re: Facebook Secretly Saved Videos Users Deleted
#54Earlier quoted context omitted.
Please don't post unsubstantive comments here.
I don't think pointing out how disconnected half of the userbase here is is unsubstantive. 99% of people who use Facebook has not the fainstest idea of what Facebook is doing, why they're doing it, and why it might be wrong. Still, on each of these threads the top comment invariably starts with "why is anyone surprised that.. etc". I could find you links to prove my point, but I'm can't believe you're not aware of th…
It was unsubstantive by the standard we moderate HN for–shallow and repetitive, made worse by snark and tropiness. Please don't post like that here.
Re: Facebook Secretly Saved Videos Users Deleted
#55Just an anecdote. I had a day set aside to purging my Facebook entries a year or two back. I manually deleted comments and posts. Of course there was too many to do and it was very boring so I only spent a couple of hours at it. But that's nots what's interesting. What happened was that I got a huge uptake of people commenting on some old post I made, like a profile picture change. I think Facebook saw I was purging…
Is there not a way to delete all posts and comments at once?
Re: Facebook Secretly Saved Videos Users Deleted
#56Heres something that I noticed earlier today that might be of interest: 420 million Facebook profiles uploaded to archive.org http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2018/03/the-kiwi-s...
Definitely worth noting as another example of how data can be harvested — but also important to point out it was a third-party created archive made from 2007 and 2010. People will still be (justifiably, IMO) unhappy. Just as they were when YourOpenBook made the risk so blatantly obvious.
Re: Facebook Secretly Saved Videos Users Deleted
#57This reminds me of the long conversations that I used to have with family members and friends several years ago. With their continuous requests to create my own Facebook profile so I can keep in contact with them and with their activities as well as to share my whereabouts. I always used the same argument to reject these suggestions — "I don't want Facebook to have too much data about me, more than the data that you…
> I am sure that the deletion of media files in services like Facebook has never meant to be absolute. Many of my colleagues believe the same thing that I believe: Facebook and other services do not actually delete data, they just mark it as "deleted" and purge it only if they need the space.
No reason to believe. You can read about the storage architecture used to store photos from a post in 2009 here: https://code.facebook.com/posts/685565858139515/needle-in-a-.... Obviously that might and probably has changed since, but at least at some point that was exactly true.
Quote:
"The delete operation is simple – it marks the needle in the haystack store as deleted by setting a “deleted” bit in the flags field of the needle. However, the associated index record is not modified in any way so an application could end up referencing a deleted needle. A read operation for such a needle will see the “deleted” flag and fail the operation with an appropriate error. The space of a deleted needle is not reclaimed in any way. The only way to reclaim space from deleted needles is to compact the haystack (see below)."
Re: Facebook Secretly Saved Videos Users Deleted
#58FB is not dropbox, so "deleting" means a different thing.
Maybe, but that’s not the case in this article, which describes an obsoleted video feature.
Re: Facebook Secretly Saved Videos Users Deleted
#59Earlier quoted context omitted.
Maybe the Facebook development processes and tracking of tech debt is just shit. First person: "I'll just flag the content and then it won't show on their timeline!" Second person: "I'll just select all the records that belongs to this account when packaging a backup. All the deleted content should be gone!" But I wouldn't discount your hypothesis.
When storage is cheap, it's rational to develop the delete flag first and think about cleanup later, which means never. The download content thing seems like a low priority project and the poor intern who probably did it didn't want to figure out how each store keeps the delete flag. At least it's honest. Would you be surprised a dd of your sd card showed your deleted photos?
Storage being cheap is irrelevant..when a user requests the data to be deleted. You delete it. Outside of government compliance there is no reason to not comply with that request
Re: Facebook Secretly Saved Videos Users Deleted
#60Earlier quoted context omitted.
Trump has many supporters(not me). I don't think any facebook users particularly like facebook, it's just where "everyone" is.
Exactly this. Who even supports FB? The media? No, they hate them because they took all their ad revenue. Republicans? No, they hate them for the censorship controversy that happened a year or so ago, and because it is full of ultra left wing silicon Valley types. Democrats? No, they hate them for the whole Cambridge analytica, Russian data thing. Facebook has made a lot of enemies, and there really isn't any sort of…
Still, absent an adequate replacement people will continue to stay there.