He Spoke Out Against Somalia’s Terrorist Groups. Now ICE Has Deported Him There • Hacker News Board

Re: He Spoke Out Against Somalia’s Terrorist Groups. Now ICE Has Deported Him There

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Post by notafxn » Sat, Mar 31, 2018, 9:24 PM UTC

a_t48 wrote: post #3

dahdum wrote: post #2

Certainly the conditions sound horrible and should be addressed. They glossed over his convictions, so I searched and found the article below. I can see why ICE targeted him. ROCHESTER, MN -- A Rochester man was arrested for selling drugs to an undercover officer. Police arrested 20 year-old Guled Muhumed of southeast Rochester during an ongoing narcotics investigation. Muhumed sold or possessed 11 grams of crack coc…

He went to prison for it already and has kept clean for years afterwards. Do you think he deserves his deportation still?

Is he a citizen? If he is not, why should he not be deported?

Re: He Spoke Out Against Somalia’s Terrorist Groups. Now ICE Has Deported Him There

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Post by saas_co_de » Sat, Mar 31, 2018, 9:26 PM UTC

dahdum wrote: post #2

Certainly the conditions sound horrible and should be addressed. They glossed over his convictions, so I searched and found the article below. I can see why ICE targeted him. ROCHESTER, MN -- A Rochester man was arrested for selling drugs to an undercover officer. Police arrested 20 year-old Guled Muhumed of southeast Rochester during an ongoing narcotics investigation. Muhumed sold or possessed 11 grams of crack coc…

It is strange to tell this long compelling story and then half way through go, "oh, and btw, he has multiple convictions for drug dealing."

While I personally would like to see all drugs legalized that does not change the fact that there are laws.

The idea that the law should be suspended for anyone who has a compelling story that can get media attention and win popular appeal is freaking insane.

If you go down that road you go from a corrupt legal system to having no rule of law at all where the legal system simply punishes people arbitrarily based on how popular and appealing they are.

Re: He Spoke Out Against Somalia’s Terrorist Groups. Now ICE Has Deported Him There

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Post by mikeash » Sat, Mar 31, 2018, 9:32 PM UTC

notafxn wrote: post #11

a_t48 wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He went to prison for it already and has kept clean for years afterwards. Do you think he deserves his deportation still?

Is he a citizen? If he is not, why should he not be deported?

He should not be deported because his life will be in jeopardy in Somalia.

That’s not just an emotional appeal. I’m pretty sure that’s a legal basis for not reporting someone.

Re: He Spoke Out Against Somalia’s Terrorist Groups. Now ICE Has Deported Him There

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Post by remarkEon » Sat, Mar 31, 2018, 9:36 PM UTC

a_t48 wrote: post #3

dahdum wrote: post #2

Certainly the conditions sound horrible and should be addressed. They glossed over his convictions, so I searched and found the article below. I can see why ICE targeted him. ROCHESTER, MN -- A Rochester man was arrested for selling drugs to an undercover officer. Police arrested 20 year-old Guled Muhumed of southeast Rochester during an ongoing narcotics investigation. Muhumed sold or possessed 11 grams of crack coc…

He went to prison for it already and has kept clean for years afterwards. Do you think he deserves his deportation still?

Absolutely.

One of my close friends is a cop in Rochester, MN. The drug problem in that city is becoming increasingly worse. Sorry, I don't have sympathy for people who take advantage of the compassion found in Western societies.

Re: He Spoke Out Against Somalia’s Terrorist Groups. Now ICE Has Deported Him There

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Post by remarkEon » Sat, Mar 31, 2018, 9:38 PM UTC

mikeash wrote: post #13

notafxn wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is he a citizen? If he is not, why should he not be deported?

He should not be deported because his life will be in jeopardy in Somalia. That’s not just an emotional appeal. I’m pretty sure that’s a legal basis for not reporting someone.

Is that actually true? What would be the limiting principle for that rule? That logic sounds far too limiting on host country sovereignty.

Re: He Spoke Out Against Somalia’s Terrorist Groups. Now ICE Has Deported Him There

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Post by noopps » Sat, Mar 31, 2018, 9:40 PM UTC

a_t48 wrote: post #3

dahdum wrote: post #2

Certainly the conditions sound horrible and should be addressed. They glossed over his convictions, so I searched and found the article below. I can see why ICE targeted him. ROCHESTER, MN -- A Rochester man was arrested for selling drugs to an undercover officer. Police arrested 20 year-old Guled Muhumed of southeast Rochester during an ongoing narcotics investigation. Muhumed sold or possessed 11 grams of crack coc…

He went to prison for it already and has kept clean for years afterwards. Do you think he deserves his deportation still?

"He signed his own removal papers and was ordered to be deported to Somalia on June 15, 2010."

He agreed to be deported at the time, he just didn't understand the consequences.

Re: He Spoke Out Against Somalia’s Terrorist Groups. Now ICE Has Deported Him There

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Post by TomMckenny » Sat, Mar 31, 2018, 9:47 PM UTC

dahdum wrote: post #2

Certainly the conditions sound horrible and should be addressed. They glossed over his convictions, so I searched and found the article below. I can see why ICE targeted him. ROCHESTER, MN -- A Rochester man was arrested for selling drugs to an undercover officer. Police arrested 20 year-old Guled Muhumed of southeast Rochester during an ongoing narcotics investigation. Muhumed sold or possessed 11 grams of crack coc…

Note that he was not picked up by ICE after a wild police chase involving drugs, he was pickup up while driving his daughter to day care. The events in the link are from 2008 when he was a teenager. Since then he has apparently become a valued member of the community, is married to a US citizen and has US citizen children.

And he has been in the country since he was nine years old and lacks citizenship because papers filed out for his relative were not filed out for him.

Re: He Spoke Out Against Somalia’s Terrorist Groups. Now ICE Has Deported Him There

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Post by bcherny » Sat, Mar 31, 2018, 9:49 PM UTC

a_t48 wrote: post #10

bcherny wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s certainly a statement about our society that we talk about who “deserves” and doesn’t deserve to be deported (not just you, but others and even NPR use that choice of words). As if being deported is a punishment - like prison - for those of us that we can get away with applying it to.

Hmm, fair point. Do you have a suitable substitution?

It’s a good question. Practically speaking, no. The US has done some pretty Machiavellian stuff to kick out immigrants before (eg. See the Mexican expulsion in the 1930s). It’s hard to justify that kind of thing given the really limited harm that illegal immigrants have on society. Open borders are also dubious given how many social services the US provides. So this is probably a reasonable policy, but it does create some strange dynamics.

Re: He Spoke Out Against Somalia’s Terrorist Groups. Now ICE Has Deported Him There

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Post by burfog » Sat, Mar 31, 2018, 9:57 PM UTC

I expect he'll do quite well.

First of all, he's going to a place where record keeping for identity is really lax. He can be anybody he wants to be. He can trivially claim to have a different name.

Second of all, he has a valuable skill: fluent English.

Re: He Spoke Out Against Somalia’s Terrorist Groups. Now ICE Has Deported Him There

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Post by jeffdavis » Sat, Mar 31, 2018, 10:31 PM UTC

What's missing from all of these human interest immigration stories is: what should the law be?

If there are any conditions at all it will seem "unfair" compared with citizens. So we either have no laws at all, and make everyone a citizen who wants to be, or we do some "unfair" things sometimes.