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An Update on Last Week’s Accident

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Re: An Update on Last Week’s Accident

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Post by batmansmk »

oldgradstudent wrote: post #63

In keeping with the "Autopilot" terminology, this was "Controlled Flight info Terrain". Tesla demonstrates their usual abuse of statistics. 1.25 fatalities per 100 million miles is the average across all types of terrain, conditions, and cars. The death rate in rural roads is much higher than in urban areas. The death rate on highways is much lower than average. The death rate with new cars is much lower than average…

Agreed. I don't know why they think they get away with it. Is there any independent agency providing numbers about Tesla claims?

Re: An Update on Last Week’s Accident

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Post by 7dare »

Robotbeat wrote: post #79
andrewstuart2 wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm obviously not privy to the details of the prior crash, but I'm pretty sure any healthy human would not deliberately drive into the barrier. The most likely scenarios I can think of would be not paying attention and drifting into the barrier, attempting to avoid a car merging into the lane (and not paying enough attention), or being struck by another car and being forced into the barrier.

I think the answer is that the path into the barrier looks just like an actual lane, and that this was enough confusion that a human driver apparently had made the same exact mistake a week earlier. https://imgur.com/a/iMY1x https://techcrunch.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/screen-sho...

The lanes aren't very well indicated, but given how visible the divider is, I don't think either an autopilot or a driver should drive off.

Reminds me of a scene in "La grande vadrouille" where a motorcyclist is killed on a mountain road because he was following the dotted line and the painter had gone to the side of the road to take a break.

Also, that's an immense pothole!

Re: An Update on Last Week’s Accident

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Post by NotSammyHagar »

oldgradstudent wrote: post #63

In keeping with the "Autopilot" terminology, this was "Controlled Flight info Terrain". Tesla demonstrates their usual abuse of statistics. 1.25 fatalities per 100 million miles is the average across all types of terrain, conditions, and cars. The death rate in rural roads is much higher than in urban areas. The death rate on highways is much lower than average. The death rate with new cars is much lower than average…

> This does not mean their autopilot is not dangerous.

It also doesn't mean that it is dangerous. That bag of doritos that you ate, it might also be dangerous. Let's use facts and not vague worrisome complaints. So if you want to talk about the higher danger of rural roads, please give a number, and then give a number for tesla, or estimate one. Don't just say "urgh".

Re: An Update on Last Week’s Accident

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Post by NotSammyHagar »

laingc wrote: post #90
oldgradstudent wrote: post #63

In keeping with the "Autopilot" terminology, this was "Controlled Flight info Terrain". Tesla demonstrates their usual abuse of statistics. 1.25 fatalities per 100 million miles is the average across all types of terrain, conditions, and cars. The death rate in rural roads is much higher than in urban areas. The death rate on highways is much lower than average. The death rate with new cars is much lower than average…

I completely agree; Tesla’s marketing modus operandi is to fudge statistics. In my view, they are consistently on the wrong side of the marketing puffery | misrepresentation borderline. I do take issue, however, with your claim that Teslas are “well constructed” - they are not. They are poorly designed, poorly constructed vehicles that feel and look cheap. Test one side by side with, say, a BMW 3-Series or a Volkswag…

The author was talking about road safety from the cars rigorous construction. There seems to be little doubt about that non-subjective issue.

Re: An Update on Last Week’s Accident

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Post by anonu »

oldgradstudent wrote: post #63

In keeping with the "Autopilot" terminology, this was "Controlled Flight info Terrain". Tesla demonstrates their usual abuse of statistics. 1.25 fatalities per 100 million miles is the average across all types of terrain, conditions, and cars. The death rate in rural roads is much higher than in urban areas. The death rate on highways is much lower than average. The death rate with new cars is much lower than average…

What percent of all driving is done on rural roads?

Re: An Update on Last Week’s Accident

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Post by ec109685 »

bladers wrote: post #51
nafizh wrote: post #2

"The driver had received several visual and one audible hands-on warning earlier in the drive and the driver’s hands were not detected on the wheel for six seconds prior to the collision." Shouldn't you have more audible warnings than visual if you are aware that not complying will lead to an accident?

Actually the warning had nothing to do with the crash. if i drove on AP for 15 minutes and i was alerted to put my hands on the wheel 2 minutes in. It would fit tesla's specially crafted statement. making it look like user was warned and didn't respond by putting their hands on the wheel but like i previously said, its completely false.

Letting auto pilot get to a point where it does the audible warning means the driver wasn’t paying attention.

Re: An Update on Last Week’s Accident

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Post by ec109685 »

dzink wrote: post #76

I have a lot of respect for Tesla, but this incident convinced me not to buy one any time soon. I have children with car seats. The fires that break out with battery right under the middle makes it impossible to save someone in the driver seat, let alone in the back. More importantly, self driving cars are not the same - Waymo has lidar, Tesla and Uber don’t (correct me if wrong). If a system is clearly struggling wi…

The fire started way after the crash.

Re: An Update on Last Week’s Accident

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Post by cma »

Tempest1981 wrote: post #50
bladers wrote: post #27

very deceptively crafted sentence. if i drove on AP for 15 minutes and i was alerted to put my hands on the wheel 2 minutes in. It would fit tesla's specially crafted statement. It makes it look like user was warned and didn't respond by putting their hands on the wheel but its completely false. The AP drove him straight into the barrier with no warning.

Here is the confusing sentence: (dots added) "The driver had received several visual and one audible hands-on warning earlier in the drive ... and the driver’s hands were not detected on the wheel for six seconds prior to the collision." https://www.tesla.com/blog/update-last-week’s-accident

It could have been earlier in the drive as in 30 minutes before, or something ridiculous like that. That was complete weasel wording.
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