An Update on Last Week’s Accident
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An Update on Last Week’s Accident
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Re: An Update on Last Week’s Accident
#2"The driver had received several visual and one audible hands-on warning earlier in the drive and the driver’s hands were not detected on the wheel for six seconds prior to the collision."
Shouldn't you have more audible warnings than visual if you are aware that not complying will lead to an accident?
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#3> Tesla Autopilot does not prevent all accidents – such a standard would be impossible – but it makes them much less likely to occur. It unequivocally makes the world safer for the vehicle occupants, pedestrians and cyclists.
These kinds of unequivocal statements are just begging for a lawsuit, imo. They simply don't know that this is true.
Re: An Update on Last Week’s Accident
#4In the moments before the collision, which occurred at 9:27 a.m. on Friday, March 23rd, Autopilot was engaged...
The rest may be true, may be germane, or may not be. The only part that matters to me until the results of the NTSB investigation is made public, is that the autopilot did this.
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#5Really not much additional info here aside from the number of warnings the driver had. Also, the standard "Tesla is 10x safer" metrics that get pulled out each time a crash gets sensationalized.
What I think they fail to address, especially in this case, is that the autopilot did something a human driver who was paying attention would never do. Autopilot does a great job of saving people from things even a wary driver would miss, much less a negligent one, but the fatal accidents that occur in statistics are not from people who are fully watching the road missing the fact that there's a concrete barrier with yellow safety markings directly in their path, and hitting it head on for no good reason (e.g. evasive action because of another driver, etc, oh a stupid last-minute "oh crap that's my exit").
I want autopilot to succeed, and I want Tesla (and Musk) to succeed, and for the sake of their public image they have to realize that this isn't an average accident statistic, a lapse in attention or evasive maneuvering. It's a car that seemingly plowed right into a concrete barrier while still under complete control. That's not a mistake a healthy human will make.
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#6"The driver had received several visual and one audible hands-on warning earlier in the drive and the driver’s hands were not detected on the wheel for six seconds prior to the collision." Shouldn't you have more audible warnings than visual if you are aware that not complying will lead to an accident?
This feels particularly evasive. If you want to claim that your technology is 10x safer, you should be able to back that up with self-insurance, and not try to put the blame on the driver.
If the autopilot does not think it is capable of driving safely, it should pull over to the shoulder of the road, not beep and flash.
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#7> In the moments before the collision, which occurred at 9:27 a.m. on Friday, March 23rd, Autopilot was engaged with the adaptive cruise control follow-distance set to minimum.
Would've loved to know the exact moments we are talking about here. Is it 5 seconds or 5 minutes?
> The driver had received several visual and one audible hands-on warning earlier in the drive and the driver’s hands were not detected on the wheel for six seconds prior to the collision.
What does this mean? Did Tesla want to give over control to driver? Or just normal no hands?
> The driver had about five seconds and 150 meters of unobstructed view of the concrete divider with the crushed crash attenuator, but the vehicle logs show that no action was taken.
Again its hard to know if Tesla wanted to give up control or not. I hope they aren't just saying that because the driver's hands were off the steering wheel, the crash occurred and is his fault for not obeying the agreement.
Re: An Update on Last Week’s Accident
#8In the moments before the collision, which occurred at 9:27 a.m. on Friday, March 23rd, Autopilot was engaged... The rest may be true, may be germane, or may not be. The only part that matters to me until the results of the NTSB investigation is made public, is that the autopilot did this.
It's more about what the autopilot didn't do than what it did do. It did drive straight ahead into a concrete barrier. It didn't see the barrier. If it had seen the barrier (as is reasonable to expect), it wouldn't have driven into it. Thus what it didn't do caused what it did do.
Re: An Update on Last Week’s Accident
#9Really not much additional info here aside from the number of warnings the driver had. Also, the standard "Tesla is 10x safer" metrics that get pulled out each time a crash gets sensationalized. What I think they fail to address, especially in this case, is that the autopilot did something a human driver who was paying attention would never do. Autopilot does a great job of saving people from things even a wary drive…
> the autopilot did something a human driver who was paying attention would never do.
Then how did the crushed barrier get crushed before the Tesla hit it? Clearly, the stretch of road is unsafe enough to trick humans drivers (and, clearly, Tesla should improve).
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#10Really not much additional info here aside from the number of warnings the driver had. Also, the standard "Tesla is 10x safer" metrics that get pulled out each time a crash gets sensationalized. What I think they fail to address, especially in this case, is that the autopilot did something a human driver who was paying attention would never do. Autopilot does a great job of saving people from things even a wary drive…
it's a mistake that healthy humans make all the time, which is why those crash barriers exist in the first place, and why that particular crash barrier was damaged by a previous crash.