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Microsoft is putting Windows on the back burner

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Re: Microsoft is putting Windows on the back burner

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Post by JamesLeonis »

geon wrote: post #41
JamesLeonis wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The reason uTorrent can stay small is because it exploits libraries that have existed in Windows since NT, mostly for GUI work. There was also development that incorporated the HTML Application library [1]. At least that was the case when I worked on it back in 2014. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTML_Application

> it exploits libraries that have existed in Windows since NT I use uTorrent on my mac.

I am specifically referencing the original PC version. There's a whole other library in the code dedicated to the mac platform implementation, as well as Linux. The reason uTorrent on Windows started small was because it didn't include much of any static linkages, but this depended on dynamically linking some libraries in Windows that Microsoft never removed. This is the dedication to backwards-compatibility I refer to.

Re: Microsoft is putting Windows on the back burner

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Post by dbingham »

madenine wrote: post #12

Little bit sensationalist. Microsoft seeing profitability and growth from its cloud business, and investing resources accordingly, doesn't mean its "putting Windows on the back burner". In its cloud and enterprise offerings MS has been adding support Linux and open source in general. That mentality shift away from "MS products are for Windows OS" is more what's going on than "MS doesn't care about Windows anymore"

I would really love to see them rewrite Windows on a unix or linux core the way Mac did with Mac Os X. Having the software industry unified on a unix standard would be amazing. It would free up so much development effort currently spent making things cross platform (not all of it, but a lot of it).

Re: Microsoft is putting Windows on the back burner

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Post by shmerl »

wilsonnb wrote: post #32
shmerl wrote: post #25

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The future of PC gaming is Linux gaming. And you can run Windows games in Wine on Linux, including games from Windows 3.11 times.

Why do you think the future of PC gaming is Linux gaming?

Because MS is pushing more and more consolized and controlled setup. They want Xbox like environment on PC (UWP). So if want true PC gaming where you can mod what you want and how you want, Linux is the best bet.

Re: Microsoft is putting Windows on the back burner

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Post by setquk »

0xfeba wrote: post #48
setquk wrote: post #18

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If it's any consolation what you guys have done with windows 10 is amazing. Big thumbs up here.

Amazing? Resizing, some better keyboard shortcut integration, and transparency? It's still ages behind *nix OSs.

Yes amazing because for the best part of 20 years, nothing significant has changed and now it’s functional enough to get work done.

And I don’t care about the *nix implementations because the first thing I do is start tmux and use that. Same as I only care for the Linux userland which is what WSL gives me.

Re: Microsoft is putting Windows on the back burner

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Post by AnIdiotOnTheNet »

0xfeba wrote: post #48
setquk wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If it's any consolation what you guys have done with windows 10 is amazing. Big thumbs up here.

Amazing? Resizing, some better keyboard shortcut integration, and transparency? It's still ages behind *nix OSs.

And yet you don't see users leaving in droves for that fancy terminal action. I wonder why? Hmmm...

Re: Microsoft is putting Windows on the back burner

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Post by AnIdiotOnTheNet »

shady-lady wrote: post #3

for me to dev solely on windows, it needs: 1) coreutils + some other nix commands 2) iTerm2 equivalent(ConEmu/Cmder do not compare)

Dear God why would you want core-utils? It's full of esoteric commands and relies on text parsing for its pipelining.

Powershell is miles ahead in every way I can think of.

Re: Microsoft is putting Windows on the back burner

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Post by tahw »

JamesLeonis wrote: post #2

PC gaming just shook a little. I have decades old games that still work because Microsoft still supports Windows. uTorrent entirely exists because of Microsoft's commitment to break-your-back-backwards-compatability in Windows. DirectX is 25+ years of of PC gaming's history. That could disappear like a console generation. That's a little disconcerting.

Unrelated to the discussion but uTorrent has an open, major bug right now so you might want to switch clients!!! https://bugs.chromium.org/p/project-zero/issues/detail?id=15...

Re: Microsoft is putting Windows on the back burner

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Post by zadjii »

porker wrote: post #40
zadjii wrote: post #15

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Hey there, I'm actually on the windows console dev team. Any specific features you're looking for from iTerm2? There's already hundred of items on the backlog, but I'm always curious what things in particular people are looking for.

Can't answer iTerm2, but I use Cmder daily. I don't think the Windows Console can (as I want for day-to-day usage) 1) show the Git branch in the prompt 2) display nice colours 3) open multiple tabs Looking forward to being proved wrong :) Cmder works well for me but I'd rather have something core to Windows to use instead.

Do you mean any of the following: https://i.imgur.com/zyC4A73.png

Colors can be customized, but changing them is a PITA so we made (ColorTool)[https://github.com/Microsoft/console/tree/master/tools/Color...] to make it a little easier

Auto updating the prompt isn't possible in CMD unfortunately. I do believe it's possible in powershell, but that's not my cup of tea. I do have a batch script that gets the branch and re-sets my prompt. You could create a git.bat that calls such a script on every git command, or like me, create `vf.bat` that I use to cd and update the prompt at once.

Also in this picture: cmd.exe running inside tmux in WSL. Coming soon to Insider's Builds near you

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