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Poor Grades Tied to Class Times That Don’t Match Our Biological Clocks

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Re: Poor Grades Tied to Class Times That Don’t Match Our Biological Clocks

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Post by wizzard »

endymi0n wrote: post #10

I used to have lots of problems getting up early and always championed later times. Growing up through my twenties, it was great seeing finally seeing more and more evidence for a later school start and I was hopeful for future teens. But it wasn't until my first kid that I finally understood that school doesn't start this early because it's good for the learning experience. It starts this early so parents can get th…

My kids' elementary school doesn't start until 9:00, and both of us work. We've had to get morning childcare just for 30 minutes before school. It's expensive and stressful for all of us.

Re: Poor Grades Tied to Class Times That Don’t Match Our Biological Clocks

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Post by isostatic »

ryandrake wrote: post #75
justherefortart wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Go to bed earlier. I get up early and have since High School. All I do is make sure I go to bed at a reasonable hour. Going to work, lunch, home early is friggin awesome. Avoiding rush hour, saving me roughly 1 hour a day in traffic, is fantastic. Plus it gives me time to do any personal things in the early afternoon without affecting my work schedule.

I love how I had to scroll all the way to the bottom to find the actual, practical solution. I’ve had to move farther and farther away form work over the years to the point where I need to wake up before 6AM to get to work on time. So I just go to bed earlier. Problem solved. Start going to bed at 8PM. Give it a try for a week and report back whether you have an easier time in the mornings.

I used to do that at school, lay awake for a few hours in the dark (or in the light in summer term). So useful.

Re: Poor Grades Tied to Class Times That Don’t Match Our Biological Clocks

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Post by PeterStuer »

I used to be a typical 'owl' as a student and when I worked in research. My peak performance hour were from 10pm to 4am. When you get kids and an 'industry' job, that isn't an option. It took me about 7 years to switch. Now I'm a true morning person. Best hours are now from 6am to 2pm. Afternoons are horror though. I can barely stay awake 2pm - 5pm.

Re: Poor Grades Tied to Class Times That Don’t Match Our Biological Clocks

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Post by EGreg »

endymi0n wrote: post #10

I used to have lots of problems getting up early and always championed later times. Growing up through my twenties, it was great seeing finally seeing more and more evidence for a later school start and I was hopeful for future teens. But it wasn't until my first kid that I finally understood that school doesn't start this early because it's good for the learning experience. It starts this early so parents can get th…

Exactly. School acts more like a daycare center for kids of busy working parents. They’re the customers.

I have been writing about ways to reform the whole experience for years:

http://magarshak.com/blog/?p=158

Re: Poor Grades Tied to Class Times That Don’t Match Our Biological Clocks

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Post by internetman55 »

InitialLastName wrote: post #43
taneq wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It doesn't take 12 years to teach a kid calculus and literature and their prerequisites.

Right, it's more that our society has decided that humans have no value until they're at least 18 (hell, with college degree requirements that age is approaching 22), so we have to store them somewhere until then.

i don't think that's how ppl with means view things

https://press.princeton.edu/titles/9294.html

this is on my eventually 2 read list

Re: Poor Grades Tied to Class Times That Don’t Match Our Biological Clocks

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Post by war1025 »

zanny wrote: post #130
briandear wrote: post #86

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The U.K. gets a “paid” holiday? So why are salaries in the U.K. so much lower than the US? Seems like the only one paying for holidays is the worker.

According to Gallup in 2013 the median incomes in the US and UK were $15,500 and $12,400 adjusted. Considering that US citizens pay on average 10% of earnings on healthcare where the UK doesn't that makes it more akin to $14,000 vs $12,400. Except here is something you didn't know - that British citizen isn't paying income tax at all. Their 0% bracket goes all the way to about $16,000 USD Today. That US citizen is pa…

US doesn't have a 0% tax rate, but there is the standard deduction and other tax credits that mean a large chunk of money gets exempted from income tax, often much more than just $16,000 USD.

Re: Poor Grades Tied to Class Times That Don’t Match Our Biological Clocks

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Post by bryondowd »

tmuir wrote: post #143
InitialLastName wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right, it's more that our society has decided that humans have no value until they're at least 18 (hell, with college degree requirements that age is approaching 22), so we have to store them somewhere until then.

Does it make your nebulous conspiracy theory more believable or less believable when you consider that the age of 18 is generally when people's bodies have reached full maturity? Personally, if my 22 year old self travelled in time three years backwards to meet 17 year old me, and then travelled 20 years forward to present day to me current me, I have no doubt 18 year old me would the odd man out in this triplet.

18 maybe for physical appearance, but mental maturity and brain development completes in the early-mid 20s. I would definitely be the odd one out at my current age if I were stuck with 17 and 22yo me, unless you were just using physical appearance, in which case yeah, I guess 17 would stand out.

Re: Poor Grades Tied to Class Times That Don’t Match Our Biological Clocks

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Post by jzymbaluk »

PeterStuer wrote: post #173

I used to be a typical 'owl' as a student and when I worked in research. My peak performance hour were from 10pm to 4am. When you get kids and an 'industry' job, that isn't an option. It took me about 7 years to switch. Now I'm a true morning person. Best hours are now from 6am to 2pm. Afternoons are horror though. I can barely stay awake 2pm - 5pm.

How did you make that switch? I'm having a lot of trouble in the transition from night owl to early bird and I could use any advice I can get

Re: Poor Grades Tied to Class Times That Don’t Match Our Biological Clocks

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Post by PeterStuer »

sk1pper wrote: post #19

Isn’t your chronotype fairly mutable though? With some dedication and a couple weeks you can adjust to waking up whenever. Especially at college age. Obviously lifestyle could be limiting if you’re trying to start waking up at 6am, but if you’re optimizing for GPA, then you’re gonna have to make lifestyle sacrifices anyway

I did that. It took me seven years, so 'a couple of weeks' is a bit of an understatement.
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