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Texas woman sentenced to 5 years in prison for voting while on probation

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Re: Texas woman sentenced to 5 years in prison for voting while on probation

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This is a feature, not a bug. The prison system is designed to drag you in and keep you in. Just disgusting.

I think Americans by and large see prison as this dungeon where we store people we don’t like for as long as possible rather than as a place where people who have made mistakes go to get the training and help they need in order to get back on track. That’s the simplest way to explain things like ultra long sentences compared to the rest of the civilized world, mistreating people after they’ve done their time (felon status for life and offender lists), and the extreme racial disparity among the prison population. It’s a system designed to permanently bifurcate the population into “normals” and “criminals”, often along racial lines, and to by any means keep the second group segregated for as long as possible, as often as possible.

Re: Texas woman sentenced to 5 years in prison for voting while on probation

#22

This is a feature, not a bug. The prison system is designed to drag you in and keep you in. Just disgusting.

I think the law she is guilty of far pre-dates the corruption of the system. I do agree that parts of are prison system have very corrupt parts, but this is a much older law. 5 years seems too long though.

> 5 years seems too long though

Are you being sarcastic? 5 years for voting while on probation is "too long"?? How about:

1. Not preventing people who are in prison from voting

2. Not even having a "probation" time after people have been released from prison; they did their time, they are free again

Re: Texas woman sentenced to 5 years in prison for voting while on probation

#23
post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a pretty damn racist comment. I'm sure it is not every white Texan, and I am sure it is not only white Texan's but also Texan's of other races. Is the relevant group predominantly white? Yes, probably. That doesn't make it acceptable to paint all white people with that brush. Imagine if I made a similar comment about black people and shootings.

The difference is power. Denigrating a politically weak group like black people is just bullying. Denigrating the dominant group is standing up to power.

Sure, which is why denigrating black people in media and corporate setting is completely acceptable, while denigrating whites is shunned and can easily get you fired. Oh wait, I meant the other way around.

Re: Texas woman sentenced to 5 years in prison for voting while on probation

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post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep, that's exactly what a private prison system leads to. You can see the system working as intended here. 5 years is... just ridiculous. There's no words for this kind of injustice.

I find five years a bit surprising, but what do you think the proper penalty would be for a felon committing voter fraud should be? Edit: I'm utterly amazed that this comment has been downvoted to silence. Disenfranchising felons — i.e., those who have committed extremely serious crimes — is while somewhat controversial a long-standing practice. The woman in question committed voter fraud by voting without being lega…

If you come from a country (like most European countries) where people are allowed to vote both on probation, and also in prison, then the whole act of voting wouldn't even be a fraud in your home country. But different countries have different practices on what is a crime.

Re: Texas woman sentenced to 5 years in prison for voting while on probation

#25

This is a feature, not a bug. The prison system is designed to drag you in and keep you in. Just disgusting.

I think the law she is guilty of far pre-dates the corruption of the system. I do agree that parts of are prison system have very corrupt parts, but this is a much older law. 5 years seems too long though.

Is corruption really a new phenomenon? Or, are we romanticizing history?

I’m not an expert and I wasn’t there so I don’t know what the actual answer is. With just a cursory knowledge of history though, I don’t think the corruption of this or any system of control is very new at all.

Re: Texas woman sentenced to 5 years in prison for voting while on probation

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Can't you just hear those white Texans: "We'll show her". I don't think any comment on that site sums it up more than that one.

Well, as a white guy in Texas , "not all white Texans" isn't the most helpful response. Regardless of the last name of the judge in this case, your comment more or less meets with my experiences.

This conviction is a pretty fucking vile turn of events, and it is fundamentally tied to the racist fears about voter fraud that are, themselves, sublated attempts to prevent "illegitimate" populations from voting:

"It's very much about voter intimidation: “I don’t think I’ll ever vote again,” she told the news outlet after her indictment. “That’s being honest. I’ll never vote again.”"

The vast majority of folks in Texas are, IMO, racist, and often in ways that they don't understand. Like, they are often not Klan members. But they do often think that "hispanics" are simultaneous "lazy" and willing to out work them to "take their jobs". This conviction is yet another example of that kind of bigotry... it just seems like a natural, common sense kind of thing to the racists in Texas (note that I didn't say all Texans, thanks).

These are common ideas here among the white folks, who largely are the folks who have the political power to make crazy, fantasy-based laws about voting practices and then equal power to create and enforce these laws. This woman is basically a sacrifice on the alter to reifying those fantasies about voter fraud.

And the people here are indeed very much about retributive, rather than restorative or transformative justice. So on that account, yes, you're totally right: this conviction is 100% about the happy reification of a fantasy that people are out to commit fraud.

This lady is basically a sacrifice to that fantasy:

“This case shows how serious Texas is about keeping its elections secure, and the outcome sends a message that violators of the state’s election law will be prosecuted to the fullest,” Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton said after Ortega was sentenced. ”

So fuck Ken Paxton, and fuck anybody who thinks that this is a reasonable kind of thing.

Re: Texas woman sentenced to 5 years in prison for voting while on probation

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post #10

What a disgusting story. How come the State is so vindictive towards the weak and so powerless against people who starts unjustified wars or brings down the financial system ?

Their hope is that maybe they'll be able to change the future for the better by making an example of someone, even if they have to be excessive, cruel, or unjust toward that person. They're justifying the means by the hoped end.

A more prosaic and more likely explanation is that states controlled by the Republican party seek to suppress black voting by any means possible because it's a threat to their hold on power.

Re: Texas woman sentenced to 5 years in prison for voting while on probation

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep, that's exactly what a private prison system leads to. You can see the system working as intended here. 5 years is... just ridiculous. There's no words for this kind of injustice.

Private prisons have basically nothing to do with this. They house very little of the prison population (less than 10% IIRC)

>>Private prisons have basically nothing to do with this.

Incorrect. Private prisons have lobbyists that contaminate the system further upstream to ensure a steady supply of inmates. They do this by lobbying legislators for harsher prison sentences on trivial crimes.

Re: Texas woman sentenced to 5 years in prison for voting while on probation

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post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the law she is guilty of far pre-dates the corruption of the system. I do agree that parts of are prison system have very corrupt parts, but this is a much older law. 5 years seems too long though.

> 5 years seems too long though Are you being sarcastic? 5 years for voting while on probation is "too long"?? How about: 1. Not preventing people who are in prison from voting 2. Not even having a "probation" time after people have been released from prison; they did their time, they are free again

> Not even having a "probation" time after people have been released from prison; they did their time, they are free again

I think you're mistaken about what probation is.

Probation is part of your time. You're sentenced for a given period of time, and at some point you may be released to serve the rest of that time in the community, on probation.

Their sentence isn't over, and they aren't 'free' while they are on probation. It's part of the original sentence still.

Probation allows people to serve part of their sentences back in the community when they are safe to do so. If you're arguing against having probation you're arguing for longer time spent in prison.

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