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Poor Grades Tied to Class Times That Don’t Match Our Biological Clocks

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Re: Poor Grades Tied to Class Times That Don’t Match Our Biological Clocks

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Imagine the horror if we gave other things equal priority with work when we made decisions about how to organize our society. Oh well.

I'd imagine that there were groups of humans who did this, but they got out-competed by humans who gave a higher priority to work.

If you think every form of natural selection is automatically proof that whatever came out is the best option, then you do not understand evolution at all.

Re: Poor Grades Tied to Class Times That Don’t Match Our Biological Clocks

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It's frustrating that we let antiquated systems remain in the face of new data indicating that the system could be improved. I don't think it's ANYONE's goal to let some people get worse grades just because. Generally, the goal of schooling is to get everyone to a better, more knowledgeable version of themselves in preparation for the world.

Re: Poor Grades Tied to Class Times That Don’t Match Our Biological Clocks

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That emphasizes that the purpose of school isn't as much to educate children as it is to provide an economy of scale for babysitting so that more adults can participate in the workforce. I wonder how that dynamic will interact with the decreasing need for adults in the workforce.

It doesn't take 12 years to teach a kid calculus and literature and their prerequisites.

Right, it's more that our society has decided that humans have no value until they're at least 18 (hell, with college degree requirements that age is approaching 22), so we have to store them somewhere until then.

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It doesn't take 12 years to teach a kid calculus and literature and their prerequisites.

A kid. Now put 30 in a classroom.

And now add 'no child left behind' (aka 'no child allowed to get ahead').

Re: Poor Grades Tied to Class Times That Don’t Match Our Biological Clocks

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I like how it shows that getting up early ruins the whole day. I have to come an hour early for a meeting every other week and it's always a challenging day... Getting up ~9am is the point at which it doesn't effect my performance anymore (I'd still prefer shifting my sleep phase even further). Sadly this only worked for a job once in my career.

Go to bed earlier.

I get up early and have since High School. All I do is make sure I go to bed at a reasonable hour.

Going to work, lunch, home early is friggin awesome. Avoiding rush hour, saving me roughly 1 hour a day in traffic, is fantastic. Plus it gives me time to do any personal things in the early afternoon without affecting my work schedule.

Re: Poor Grades Tied to Class Times That Don’t Match Our Biological Clocks

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post #29

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Imagine the horror if we gave other things equal priority with work when we made decisions about how to organize our society. Oh well.

I'd imagine that there were groups of humans who did this, but they got out-competed by humans who gave a higher priority to work.

There are several countries in Europe that give maternity/paternity leave and vacation time to all full time employees by law. The result is not a massive drop in productivity, on the contrary studies have indicated higher overall productivity in many cases. There are things besides short term business gain that societies can invest in that can end up with everyone better off in the long run, even economically.

Re: Poor Grades Tied to Class Times That Don’t Match Our Biological Clocks

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post #29

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Imagine the horror if we gave other things equal priority with work when we made decisions about how to organize our society. Oh well.

I'd imagine that there were groups of humans who did this, but they got out-competed by humans who gave a higher priority to work.

Outcompeted in what sense? Making money? I mean, I guess if you argue that the people who did it will on average have more political influence due to having more money then it's plausible, but there's an even more plausible argument: People in charge of major organisations don't like worker flexibility because it's logistically difficult, and "more work-oriented == better productivity" is the most intuitive meme ever, so it caught on.

Re: Poor Grades Tied to Class Times That Don’t Match Our Biological Clocks

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Of course none of the debate actually addressed if students would possible learn better from it. Is that important if there is no way to make a different schedule work from a practical perspective?

Raising children is one of the fundamental processes of human society. If there really were a will, we could rearrange everything for them. But the way we treat children and teenagers is rather callous and cynical at the system level.

If there was a will, teenagers would be allowed to come sooner or on bike or fully by themselves.

If raising children would be really considered important, caregivers needa would not be treated with "shut up and do the things the most complicated way".

For that matter, calling school that starts an hour sooner then optimal "calous" is overly hyperbolic, manipulative and dramatic.

Re: Poor Grades Tied to Class Times That Don’t Match Our Biological Clocks

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I like how it shows that getting up early ruins the whole day. I have to come an hour early for a meeting every other week and it's always a challenging day... Getting up ~9am is the point at which it doesn't effect my performance anymore (I'd still prefer shifting my sleep phase even further). Sadly this only worked for a job once in my career.

Go to bed earlier. I get up early and have since High School. All I do is make sure I go to bed at a reasonable hour. Going to work, lunch, home early is friggin awesome. Avoiding rush hour, saving me roughly 1 hour a day in traffic, is fantastic. Plus it gives me time to do any personal things in the early afternoon without affecting my work schedule.

Yea, that's the "compatibility mode" I'm running on: strictly going to bed at 11pm. I sadly really miss the nights and have to force myself to do this daily.

Here in europe daylight saving time just ended, now I have go to bed an hour earlier from one day to another. It took me out for 4 days (really bad performance) and the first 2 days I stayed awake in bed so long I became more awake again before managing to fall asleep.

Re: Poor Grades Tied to Class Times That Don’t Match Our Biological Clocks

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post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd imagine that there were groups of humans who did this, but they got out-competed by humans who gave a higher priority to work.

There are several countries in Europe that give maternity/paternity leave and vacation time to all full time employees by law. The result is not a massive drop in productivity, on the contrary studies have indicated higher overall productivity in many cases. There are things besides short term business gain that societies can invest in that can end up with everyone better off in the long run, even economically.

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