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FCC Authorizes SpaceX to Provide Broadband Satellite Services

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Re: FCC Authorizes SpaceX to Provide Broadband Satellite Services

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Nah, You’re thinking of different constellations like OneWeb. This constellation is being way overbuilt by SpaceX. They want gigabit speeds and way cheaper data than LTE. They want to compete with fiber (at least in non-super-dense areas). From Spacex’s perspective, they’re happy to build it so large that it only breaks even (even though I think it’ll do better than that) because it gives them something to launch on…

Nah, they can want infinite speeds, but they're only going to get a few megabits of speed. It will be much slower than LTE, since the satellites are going to be about 100 miles away. LTE towers are only a few miles away. How do you expect it to have higher bandwidth than LTE with communications a hundred miles away? It doesn't matter that they're putting in 4000 satellites, since those satellites are still 100 miles…

How? Because both the satellites and the receivers will use large phased array (beam forming) antennas with hundreds to thousands of elements unlike LTE. No one will have deployed phased arrays to users at the scale of this constellation, therefore SpaceX has invested a lot in phased-array/beamforming technology.

“Another one of Elon Musk’s garbage projects that doesn’t really advance the state-of-the-art.”

Okay, so you’re just trolling, then. Never mind.

Re: FCC Authorizes SpaceX to Provide Broadband Satellite Services

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Do they have to get a license from every country in which they intend to operate?

I believe so, yes - definitely at least to transmit from earth to the satellite, according to some of the satellite providers I've worked with.

Re: FCC Authorizes SpaceX to Provide Broadband Satellite Services

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this model already exists (google "WISP micro pop"). One of the primary problems with doing this at a large scale is that the bandwidth via satellite will not be that great, compared to what's possible with current terrestrial technology. the second is that the micro POP needs some kind of serious battery backup and a way to meet five nines or better reliability. you can't start hanging downstream customers off of th…

Why 5-9s? I doubt any home connection has this, let alone the satellite.

Depends if it is data only or if you will be offering Voice Services. If you are going to offer Voice Service e911 regulations come into play on Residential Services. Most state require additional reliability as part of the service.

Thet is why my Fios Service has a Battery Backup for the voice circuits (even though I do not have them active)

Re: FCC Authorizes SpaceX to Provide Broadband Satellite Services

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I wonder how the total bandwidth of the system will compare to BGAN which is pretty darn costly compared to LTE. Terminals would also have to be more reasonable to expand past the media/energy customers that BGAN tilts towards.

BGAN is very limited - you only get a few hundred kbps... This will likely be more like O3B, which can do gigabit (if you pay for it, and of course the total bandwidth is limited and shared so speeds would drop significantly if they had high take-up).

So this will definitely be far higher than BGAN, but from what I'm reading here people have far too high expectations if they're in a populated area... Definitely this could be an absolute game-changer for rural areas, but for densely populated cities you're going to have a better time with fixed line.

Re: FCC Authorizes SpaceX to Provide Broadband Satellite Services

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Here's one way I could see this killing Comcast, even in major cities: As a homeowner, you by a small box which lives under the eave of your roof. The box has high-bandwidth, low-latency satellite uplink to SpaceX which gives you your internet. The same box also has a terrestrial wireless repeater which serves the local neighborhood. Internet is available through your "tower" to neighbors and passers-by. You and Spac…

I think you're perhaps over-estimating how much bandwidth the system will have. Satellites are limited by power, earth ground-station uplink/downlink, the amount of spectrum they have for customer access in each spot-beam, etc.

Definitely for rural and less densely populated areas you could potentially get hundreds of Mbps per subscriber, but even for the crazy high number of satellites they're talking about in their constellation, at this point you're probably only going to get tens of megabits per subscriber in a densely populated city with any decent take-up rate...

Re: FCC Authorizes SpaceX to Provide Broadband Satellite Services

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Sri Lanka is only the 51st "best country in the world" according to US News[1]. That's really not bad and not really 3rd world at this point. [1] https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/sri-lanka

The term third world is often used incorrectly. It was created during the cold war to refer to countries that we're not in alliance with one of the dominant super powers (USA, USSR). [1] People often use when they want to say "backwards" countries. The correct term is developing world, which just means rapidly improving and doesn't cloudy the convo with connotations about the cold war. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/…

Sorry, but the term "third world" has long been co-opted like "hacker".

Re: FCC Authorizes SpaceX to Provide Broadband Satellite Services

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Here's one way I could see this killing Comcast, even in major cities: As a homeowner, you by a small box which lives under the eave of your roof. The box has high-bandwidth, low-latency satellite uplink to SpaceX which gives you your internet. The same box also has a terrestrial wireless repeater which serves the local neighborhood. Internet is available through your "tower" to neighbors and passers-by. You and Spac…

I think you're perhaps over-estimating how much bandwidth the system will have. Satellites are limited by power, earth ground-station uplink/downlink, the amount of spectrum they have for customer access in each spot-beam, etc. Definitely for rural and less densely populated areas you could potentially get hundreds of Mbps per subscriber, but even for the crazy high number of satellites they're talking about in their…

Having bandwidth is paramount.

I've long opined network routers should have an "ad-hoc" mode (preferably on by default) whereby users can create a decentralized network, leveraging whatever long-range/high-bandwidth connection that can be accessed. With enough market penetration, the need for a direct service provider drops (from per-endpoint to per-region or even per-backbone; poor description of intent noted).

Re: FCC Authorizes SpaceX to Provide Broadband Satellite Services

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I imagine SpaceX could eventually perform the majority of routing in orbit, with packets returning to earth for the "last mile". If they're successful, you could potentially see a high bandwidth SpaceX link on the roof of every major data center on the planet. They could be self-reliant for connections to every major online service. If they're very successful, you could potentially see data providers like Netflix and…

Netflix ISP CDN in space. Now that'd be something seriously cool.

It's funny; Netflix is one provider that doesn't need low latency so they would be fine with more traditional satellite orbits.

Re: FCC Authorizes SpaceX to Provide Broadband Satellite Services

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> Shooting down satellites is very expensive It's less expensive than launching satellites, and the Chinese goverment has enough money to do it if they want.

> It's less expensive than launching satellites Are you sure? If China knocks out one of ours, we’ll knock out at least one of theirs. We’ll also likely implement a suite of sanctions. Shooting down a satellite is an act of war.

Why am I ever surprised at the constant expansion of justifications for war?

Wars kill lots of people. You knew that, right?

Re: FCC Authorizes SpaceX to Provide Broadband Satellite Services

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Here's one way I could see this killing Comcast, even in major cities: As a homeowner, you by a small box which lives under the eave of your roof. The box has high-bandwidth, low-latency satellite uplink to SpaceX which gives you your internet. The same box also has a terrestrial wireless repeater which serves the local neighborhood. Internet is available through your "tower" to neighbors and passers-by. You and Spac…

Satellite internet: a radio based internet connection (like cellular or wifi) but now instead of having the antenna/base station sitting on something it's hurtling around the earth at an unimaginable speed and a rather large distance from everything connected to it.

This might disrupt cellular and satellite ISPs and it will affect wired ISPs in the same sense that cellular affects them now which is all pretty exciting, but I don't think it will do anything beyond that.

TL;DR: insanely great for sensor networks, exciting for mobile internet (especially at sea), not quite irrelevant for home internet unless you live in the middle of nowhere like my parents.

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