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What kind of Lisp system was used to run this? Would it work with any Common Lisp? What other things are required, like libraries or a database etc.? I'm guessing reddit.asd lists some: :tbnl (a toolkit for building dynamic websites) :cl-ppcre (a regex library) :trivial-http (a HTTP client) :cl-who (a library for using S-expressions as HTML markup templates) :clsql (a SQL database interface and ORM) :clsql-postgresql…
Some Ediware in the dependencies (CL-PPCRE, CL-WHO and Hunchentoot from back when it was called TBNL). I guess they used CL-SQL rather than Postmodern because the latter didn't exist back then.
Should be reasonably easy to get it running on a modern CL.
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Maybe having it be open source would represent a security risk? https://github.com/reddit-archive/reddit1.0/blob/master/data...
I mean, it shouldn't. Humanity is perfectly capable of building secure web services without having to keep the way it works a secret. You don't publish your encryption keys with your source code, which is what your security should be depending on. And what's more, Reddit themselves did not even use that excuse in their official statement for it, even though to me their excuse felt even less logical. Basically, they d…
Never played around with Lisp, so excuse the ignorance. Is this typical to construct HTML in Lisp? This feels incredibly verbose and error prone, not to mention confusing and hard to grok. Good luck having a designer mockup/write HTML. (defun login-panel () (pbox "login/register" (:form :id "logform" :class "nomargin" (:table :style "border-collapse: collapse" (:tr (:td :colspan "2" "username:")) (:tr (:td :colspan "…
Even without the transpilation step for JSX support, I find hyperscript [0] and friends [1] a notable improvement over other templating tools. Instead of having to jump to a separate file which magically inherits a bunch of implicit globals, you just call a function. If the system supports a component abstraction you can import them and compose views using the same programming constructs you use everywhere else.
An error in the template can be caught by your linter or compiler, since it's just regular code. I'd say it's actually safer, since you typically won't have to worry about escaping values manually. And along the way you can validate the input in order to confirm you only ever generate valid HTML.
Check out elm-css [2] as well, which lets you define your stylesheets with elm. This lets you take advantage of the their type system to make sure all class names are referenced correctly. A typo or accidental deletion would would cause it to fail to compile, allowing you to catch problems early.
[0] https://github.com/hyperhype/hyperscript
Never played around with Lisp, so excuse the ignorance. Is this typical to construct HTML in Lisp? This feels incredibly verbose and error prone, not to mention confusing and hard to grok. Good luck having a designer mockup/write HTML. (defun login-panel () (pbox "login/register" (:form :id "logform" :class "nomargin" (:table :style "border-collapse: collapse" (:tr (:td :colspan "2" "username:")) (:tr (:td :colspan "…
And of course in the context of writing lisp code it means that you have a uniform syntax instead of having some parts of the file as HTML and others in an other language (which is often a pain with code editors in my experience).
It still baffles me that SGML and its descendants are so popular. They're quirky, terribly noisy for markup, incredibly large and slow for serialization and of course every variation introduces and removes arbitrary limitations.
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Maybe having it be open source would represent a security risk? https://github.com/reddit-archive/reddit1.0/blob/master/data...
I mean, it shouldn't. Humanity is perfectly capable of building secure web services without having to keep the way it works a secret. You don't publish your encryption keys with your source code, which is what your security should be depending on. And what's more, Reddit themselves did not even use that excuse in their official statement for it, even though to me their excuse felt even less logical. Basically, they d…
That's the same as saying that humanity is capable of building a large system without bugs, in an economically viable way.
Never played around with Lisp, so excuse the ignorance. Is this typical to construct HTML in Lisp? This feels incredibly verbose and error prone, not to mention confusing and hard to grok. Good luck having a designer mockup/write HTML. (defun login-panel () (pbox "login/register" (:form :id "logform" :class "nomargin" (:table :style "border-collapse: collapse" (:tr (:td :colspan "2" "username:")) (:tr (:td :colspan "…
RE designer thing, I guess it depends on how you work. Frankly, Reddit to this day doesn't look like anything that has ever met a designer (and that's a good thing in its case). Still, if you want, you can just stick to the designer that does mockups in Photoshop, and skip the other designer that converts those into HTML.
It's unfortunate that Reddit silently went closed-source before being forced to admit it. Certainly a betrayal of trust with their long-standing userbase.
Maybe having it be open source would represent a security risk? https://github.com/reddit-archive/reddit1.0/blob/master/data...
Never played around with Lisp, so excuse the ignorance. Is this typical to construct HTML in Lisp? This feels incredibly verbose and error prone, not to mention confusing and hard to grok. Good luck having a designer mockup/write HTML. (defun login-panel () (pbox "login/register" (:form :id "logform" :class "nomargin" (:table :style "border-collapse: collapse" (:tr (:td :colspan "2" "username:")) (:tr (:td :colspan "…
It's not error prone maybe even less so since it can be checked by the compiler.
My preference is to use templating because it matches the final output closer and is, like you said, easier to show to other people / designers. However, even templating is sometimes turned into an enterprise confusing mess where it becomes very complex and hard to know where values come from.