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Post by th1nkdifferent »

larkeith wrote: post #230
_acme wrote: post #198

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Under what conditions would any of these events actually occur? The government isn't going to waste resources to deport someone solely for forgetting an account; they would only go to such effort if there's another reason that they actually care about to deport that person.

The point isn't to go after everyone who fails to completely or accurately answer, but rather to provide a pretext for the deportation of people the government disfavor but lack a criminal case against; for example, an immigrant opposition leader, protestor, or whistleblower.

You obviously have not dealt with the US government. Take it from someone who was, is and will likely be scarred several years from dealing with the US Government (esp. US Immigration), this scenario is very real.

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Post by Sir_Substance »

dboreham wrote: post #240
Sir_Substance wrote: post #169

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>Yes, kind of. In theory, but historically speaking not really: https://scholarship.law.georgetown.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?r... But then again, it doesn't seem to work very well for US citizens these days either.

For clarity: the doc you cite says what I said (at least that's my interpretation) -- that non citizens have much the same constitutional rights as citizens. But they have to be living in the country (so-called US Persons). Hence it doesn't do you much good in the context of getting into the country. Source: I was a US Person for a while.

The legal argument is "yes they do", but the first few pages of the document are "but we understand why US citizens might assume the opposite because here's a laundry list of all the times we ignored that in the past".

As a non-citizen, the internal arguments of the US legal system aren't very interesting to me, but the historical record of how the US treats non-citizens is. The US has clearly demonstrated that in practice, non-citizens are not protected by the same rights.

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Post by KozmoNau7 »

downandout wrote: post #369
grzm wrote: post #362

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> "a relatively small number of extreme right wingers" Like the sitting US President: * https://www.cnn.com/2015/09/18/politics/trump-obama-muslim-b... * https://www.cnn.com/2016/09/10/opinions/why-trump-clings-to-... * http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/time-donald-trump-talked-birt... * https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/09/trump-b... * https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-proud-birt...

Don’t bother posting HuffPo links as references. I hope nobody is taking anything they read there as fact these days. If they are, we are in bigger trouble as a country than I thought. I’d say the politics section of CNN falls in the same category. With regard to the rest of your comment... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16714508

Do you deny that Trump was extremely active in birtherism and claiming Obama wasn't eligible for the position as president?

There are countless articles, videos, tweets (from The Donald himself) documenting it.

Instead you attack specific sources, in an attempt to discredit the facts.

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Post by KozmoNau7 »

downandout wrote: post #363
lazyasciiart wrote: post #360

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We also shouldn't go making up facts in order to paint Trump's approval ratings as better than they are.

And I’m not. But I think even you would agree that the overwhelmingly negative press coverage - almost all of it opinion based - has some effect on the disapproval ratings. 50% was going to be built in from the start. Somebody should do the math to figure out the correlation between the ratio of positive to negative press stories and the disapproval ratings for both Trump and Obama. I think you’d find that if you nor…

Trump is objectively a terrible person and an even worse politician.

His approval reasons would be in the dumps, media influence or not.

You're making a pretty wild assertion, that Trump's and Obama's approval ratings would be equal if it wasn't for media influence. How do you propose normalizing that?

How would you do that? Please give an example that doesn't entail making up numbers from subjective whole cloth.

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Post by odiroot »

ExcelSaga wrote: post #184
bambax wrote: post #179

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Yes, it's not Trump, it's the US. I will probably never visit that country again, and I don't much care; but, I'm kind of sad for my kids. That said, the world is a big place. Let's hope not every other country does the same.

It’s not just the US though, the whole ultra-surveillance shtick is very much an international problem. Here in the UK it’s not that great either, and China is full on dystopia. I’m not excusing the US, but we need to accept that this isn’t just the Americans, it’s more and more of the world.

No one asked to see my phone or any device when I entered China two times through two different cities.

No one cared about by email addresses or social media accounts.

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Post by downandout »

KozmoNau7 wrote: post #373
downandout wrote: post #369

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don’t bother posting HuffPo links as references. I hope nobody is taking anything they read there as fact these days. If they are, we are in bigger trouble as a country than I thought. I’d say the politics section of CNN falls in the same category. With regard to the rest of your comment... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16714508

Do you deny that Trump was extremely active in birtherism and claiming Obama wasn't eligible for the position as president? There are countless articles, videos, tweets (from The Donald himself) documenting it. Instead you attack specific sources, in an attempt to discredit the facts.

Again, I’m not defending Trump. Never have. But that doesn’t mean we should purposely misinterpret hard data to try to make him look worse than he already makes himself look.

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Post by morsch »

briandear wrote: post #246
bambax wrote: post #179

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Yes, it's not Trump, it's the US. I will probably never visit that country again, and I don't much care; but, I'm kind of sad for my kids. That said, the world is a big place. Let's hope not every other country does the same.

To get a visa for France, I had to provide my full financial details -- bank statements, information on investments, etc. I also had to provide an FBI background check. To get a visa for China, you can be denied for content of social media posts. In Thailand, you can be arrested upon arrival if you've ever written a blog post critical of the king. The UK can bar entry based on the prior speech of applicants: rapper T…

There's a difference between a blacklist of politically non-desired people and a policy applying to everyone. It's a slippery slope, but a slope nonetheless.

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Post by swedish_mafia »

scottybowl wrote: post #62
dmode wrote: post #32

Trump administration has been increasingly hostile to legal immigrants, so this doesn’t surprise me one bit. Everyday there is a new policy change in USCIS designed to screw immigrants, whose only crime is working on high paid jobs. I am on the verge of losing my work permit after having lived here for 12 years and working in high tech jobs in leading companies.

Why do you deserve a job over a resident with equal skills?

Why have you assumed that of the pool of applicants to his job there were residents with equal skills?

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Post by richardknop »

KozmoNau7 wrote: post #373
downandout wrote: post #369

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don’t bother posting HuffPo links as references. I hope nobody is taking anything they read there as fact these days. If they are, we are in bigger trouble as a country than I thought. I’d say the politics section of CNN falls in the same category. With regard to the rest of your comment... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16714508

Do you deny that Trump was extremely active in birtherism and claiming Obama wasn't eligible for the position as president? There are countless articles, videos, tweets (from The Donald himself) documenting it. Instead you attack specific sources, in an attempt to discredit the facts.

He was certainly very active in birtherism but so was Hillary when she ran against Obama which is what people are forgetting about :)
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