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U.S. To Seek Social Media Details from All Visa Applicants

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#131
post #61

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I agree, just pointing out that this isn’t new. GP comment implicated that it is.

It is new, based on what your comment. You reported answering different questions.

He was replying to the "international travel and deportation status" portion.

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#132
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What if you don't have any social media accounts? Are they just going to assume anyone who says they don't is lying or trying to hide something? Seems like a dumb policy to require details on a purely voluntary activity.

If the companies had their way, it would be illegal to not have a social media account and not participate actively.

And if milk companies had their way, it'd be illegal to drink water. But they don't, so...

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#133
post #96

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Doesn't the 5th amendment make those questions impossible to answer? (If you plead the 5th on them, you're.. probably a terrorist...)

The constitution protect non citizens too?

Yes, kind of. Probably not in the context of immigration scissors stone paper games though.

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#134
post #68

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This is why I hate HN. Someone here has an opinion that doesn't toe the line and instead of asking about the opinion, instead of considering he might be right in at least some way, we downvote to oblivion. Bunch of assholes, really.

Because their "opinion" is straight trolling. Not every opinion deserves respect. And I notice you didn't ask about the opinion, but rather just started complaining about everyone else who wasn't in the mood for their bullshit.

How is having a different opinion trolling?

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#135
Your wife forgets to list that yahoo mail account to which she no longer has access and everything is deleted: family gets deported.*

You forget to list that LiveJournal, Advogato or Quora accounts: family gets deported.*

Your daughter forgets to list that Pinterest account: family gets deported.*

Your son forgets to list that last.fm or SoundCloud account: family gets deported.*

Your mom forgets her Academia.edu account and Mittens forgets her vampirefreaks account: family gets deported.*

[*] or separated...

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#136
post #95

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Not just immigrants, but all visitors.

Nah, citizens of most first world countries don't need a visa to enter the US if they're visiting for less than 90 days. This includes western Europe, Australia, Japan, South Korea, the Baltic countries, etc. You can just get on a plane and fly over. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visa_Waiver_Program#/media/Fil...

> You can just get on a plane and fly over.

Not quite - you will need an ESTA - a visa waiver, and the airlines (usually) check before you board that you have a current one.

But they are valid for two years, and trivial to get via the webapp.

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#137

I'm curious of what the lobbying arms of major social media companies like Facebook and Twitter think of this. Are they using their considerable resources to try and push back against this? They can't possibly benefit from this deeper reach of the government's spying eyes.

That's where the next billion Twitter and Facebook users will come from: forced participation tied to government services and benefits. You can easily imagine a dystopia where a FB account is required to collect Social Security or Medicare benefits.

My pet dystopian vision was always basic income associated with a government-tied-in Alternative Reality game, with mandatory in-game outside-world activities to collect points that can be traded in for bonus BI or discounts for everything purchased with your BI card or BI card cashback limits, etc.

With China developing Social Credit and US government interest in social media data, the "in-game outside-world activities" might as well be bypassed. Have a 'good' Facebook history, or else.

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#138

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5th amendment only applies in criminal cases: " nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself ". Doesn't cover border crossings or visa applications.

Also, the United States hasn't historically always given constitutional rights to non-citizens living in the United States.

Right, and the areas around the border have been called by the ACLU "Constitution-free zones". Basically the government says if you're within 100 miles of the border and have crossed or are likely to cross, your Constitutional rights no longer exist.

It's really fun stuff.

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#139
post #51

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> five years of previously used telephone numbers, I couldn't tell even if I wanted to, I go somewhere, pick up a SIM card, trash it when I leave. These days many countries sell them from machines or newsstands at the airport, this is not unusual any more. Japan and the UK, both from 2015: https://cdn.techinasia.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/Screen... http://travelpal.s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploa... a…

odds are if you used it for such a short time they wouldnt know either. And it'd be odd if they say "You failed to disclose 555-555-5555" (ok... but you clearly know the number)

> And it'd be odd if they say "You failed to disclose 555-555-5555" (ok... but you clearly know the number)

It would not be at all odd for them to use failure to disclose as a reason for revoking your visa and putting you on a list of people who would be denied entry in the future, and it would be unsurprising if, before kicking you out, they also criminally prosecuted you for lying to the government.

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#140

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Maybe it's a part of _your_ problem but I don't think it's a part of _the_ problem. What OP said is correct. Democrats continue to escalate and promote legislation that is deeply invasive.

This article and this discussion is about this action, not all the other actions that everyone has ever taken. It's a distraction, often an intentional one, to start talking about all the others.

No it most certainly isn't, if this is just but one step in a growing trend with bipartisan support, which it is.

We need a president who will pledge to appoint Justices that will respect the rights granted by the 4th amendment so we can roll back all of the unconstitutional and authoritarian legislation/structures that have been created in blatant violation of it. Stopping this one rule is immaterial. As we've seen, if legislation that is unpopular with people but popular with politicians fails to pass, then politicians will simply try to pass the legislation/enact the policy later when nobody's looking. The problem isn't isolated to a single act, it's a pattern that needs to be fixed.

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