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U.S. To Seek Social Media Details from All Visa Applicants

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Post by rconti »

scottybowl wrote: post #38
roywiggins wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the more isolated we will become and the more backward our peers will find us to be Unfortunately, the same strain of thought that is pushing these measures is quite happy with us being more isolated and worse regarded. They think being isolated is manly virtue; that acting in concert with the international community is feminine weakness. Being liked implies that we give something away; being hated implies that we…

Excellent virtue signalling..

Nothing of any value was ever communicated with these stupid buzzwords.

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Post by staplers »

Someone1234 wrote: post #24

People I've spoken to seem more comfortable acting like this is part of the current administration's agenda, rather than an encroaching trend which has been gradually getting worse year upon year. For example this specific policy was added as an "optional" (not really) question on an entry form before the 2016 presidential elections (I know, I wrote a letter protesting it during public comment period). My point is: B…

  My point is: Both Democrats and Republics have been complicit
In fact, you bringing it up is causing more distraction and confusion regarding the original issue. Quite literally playing into the systems entire purpose..

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Post by roywiggins »

scottybowl wrote: post #46
roywiggins wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And your contribution to the discussion is...?

More than your contribution of idle parroting of the current trend of creating division between the sexes and races. Why does an opinion need to be masculine or feminine?

These people are calling their ideological opponents cuckolds and yet I'm the one creating sexist divisions?

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Post by nekopa »

scottybowl wrote: post #62
dmode wrote: post #32

Trump administration has been increasingly hostile to legal immigrants, so this doesn’t surprise me one bit. Everyday there is a new policy change in USCIS designed to screw immigrants, whose only crime is working on high paid jobs. I am on the verge of losing my work permit after having lived here for 12 years and working in high tech jobs in leading companies.

Why do you deserve a job over a resident with equal skills?

Sounds like he is a resident.

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Post by jrs95 »

elcapitan wrote: post #50

"Sir, we have reviewed your git commit history of the last 5 years and come to the conclusion that you would be gravely endangering the code quality of this country."

But if we deport 90% of our programmers, how will the banks continue to operate?

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Post by oldcynic »

scottybowl wrote: post #35
cryoshon wrote: post #15

>The department estimates it would affect 710,000 immigrant visa applicants and 14 million non-immigrant visa applicants, including those who want to come to the U.S. for business or education, according to the documents. this will hurt business. this will hurt american companies. this will hurt the country. this will not catch any terrorists. this will not catch any serious drug traffickers. this will not be sociall…

I couldn't disagree more - this focuses on giving Americans a chance to get employment before anyone else. What's wrong with that? I'm a Brit and would love the same policy here.

Well as the article says it's for "applications for all visa types" can you enlighten me how this would help with giving Brits or Americans a better chance of employment?

Any corporate bringing people in under a skill-based exception is unlikely to be affected - they already game the system, that they helped create, significantly. Any potential overseas worker wanting to emigrate will just add "make a FB, and Twitter account" to their to-do list alongside get a degree.

Social media accounts are not exactly rare things. Would you be happy for the subjective judgements to be required against everyone's (including natives) social media when applying for a job, bank account, holiday, or travelling?

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Post by fwn »

dboreham wrote: post #58

One thing to know is that apparently the reason for having seemingly idiotic questions on immigration forms ("are you a terrorist?", "are you a nazi war criminal?") is not that the government is stupid but rather that they're there in order to be able to deport someone for answering the question incorrectly in the event that the government wants to deport them but lacks sufficient evidence to pursue a criminal case.…

Yes. At worst, that may be the idea.

Making an overly broad questionnair to introduce arbitrariness by enabeling your executive branch to selectively invalidate a specific visa holders questionnaires consistency.

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Post by tzs »

Someone1234 wrote: post #56
bsder wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> My point is: Both Democrats and Republics have been complicit in allowing these kind of activities to continue. And the American public would sooner blame the other "side" in this political dog and pony show, than take responsibility for this being what America's fear based society has brought. Stop pushing this "both sides are the same" narrative. It's part of the damn problem. While the Democratic administrations…

> While the Democratic administrations may have continued these kinds of policies (and I will challenge you on whether they as bad as the Republican ones) It is the same question, on a different immigration form. See this article from 2016: http://fortune.com/2016/12/23/us-customs-social-media/ The proposal (and public comment period) came much earlier in 2016. This wasn't the result of legislation, the executive bra…

The 2016 one was an optional request for people from 32 countries.

The new version is to be required and for people from all countries.

Going by the numbers from the article, that's a 2.4 orders of magnitude expansion.

Are you really equating the two?

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Post by stale2002 »

tzahola wrote: post #53
floatingatoll wrote: post #33

Hacker News is a social media site that should be declared voluntarily under these rules.

Hacker News??? [ENTRY DENIED]

Legit there was a tech bootcamp called hacker school that had to change their name because the FBI kept bothering them.
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