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61% of “Entry-Level” Jobs Require 3+ Years of Experience

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Re: 61% of “Entry-Level” Jobs Require 3+ Years of Experience

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Post by paulddraper »

AstralStorm wrote: post #254
paulddraper wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't forget the fact that companies need employees to survive and they have very little influence on the price of the labor without (illegal) collusion.

Not true. They have the ultimate influence on the salaries once they have hired enough people. They can just not hire. A person cannot really "not be hired" for prolonged time unless they're already rich. Most cannot tolerate unemployment for even a short time. Even students who don't have many commitments cannot do so for too long. Only for very small companies this is somewhat true.

> They have the ultimate influence on the salaries once they have hired enough people. They can just not hire.

Likewise, employees have the ultimate influence on salaries once they have enough leverage in the job market.

A company hiring is like a person finding a job: they only have to once for a long period of time.

A company paying a salary is like a person working a job: they have to do it constantly.

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You can say the cards are stack in the favor of employers, and they sometimes are, but remember 4 out of 5 businesses fail. Four out of five individuals do not go bankrupt.

Re: 61% of “Entry-Level” Jobs Require 3+ Years of Experience

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Post by Density »

joopxiv wrote: post #264
dotcoma wrote: post #3

Do we need more evidence that "Entry-Level" means "poorly paid"?

I have a competing hypothesis. It seems to me that a lot of people writing the vacancies have too big of an ego to acknowledge the fact that someone without work experience can do the job they've been doing for years (and maybe still are). The seem to have forgotten that they also started without any experience.

Checks out in my case. I can probably train a horse to do my job and yet they require 2+ years of experience with a B.S. degree for it.

Re: 61% of “Entry-Level” Jobs Require 3+ Years of Experience

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Post by Density »

paulie_a wrote: post #164
crimsonalucard wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right, it's a thinking ahead investment scenario with risk. But if you look at it from a transactional point of view it makes no sense: I pay you to educate you while you provide me with nothing.

If an employer is thinking with that mentality, why would I ever want to work for them?

Because you need to eat.

Re: 61% of “Entry-Level” Jobs Require 3+ Years of Experience

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Post by sudomake »

pjc50 wrote: post #240
fiblye wrote: post #154

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>2) Yes. Half or more of the applications I've reviewed are totally unqualified. Either they ignored the requirements or fudge it and flop on the interview. Common advice is that job posters put insane requirements on their posting because they don't really expect an entry level applicant to have 15 years experience in HTML5, Joomla, C++14, Bootstrap, Hypercard, Quechua, nuclear physics, and Go, just a little bit of…

> 15 years experience in HTML5, Joomla, C++14, Bootstrap, Hypercard, Quechua, nuclear physics, and Go, This is what you put in a job advert when you want to hire your mate who matches that description but feel obliged to publicly tender the job instead.

Has c++14 existed for 15 years yet?

Re: 61% of “Entry-Level” Jobs Require 3+ Years of Experience

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Post by nvarsj »

meaydinli wrote: post #20
williamscales wrote: post #15

If you go to college and do an internship or research fellowship each summer, you will come out with "3 years" of experience.

Is it not mandatory for engineering/CS? I had to do 2 internships for my bachelors, and 1 for my masters.

It's not mandatory. But it's incredibly hard to get hired out of school, even a top one, if you don't do any internships. You gotta grind from day 1 in this world.

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Post by Can_Not »

Double_a_92 wrote: post #293
openIce wrote: post #225

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EVEN AS A COLLEGE STUDENT I'm not going to do your coding assessment for free. There are plenty of workplaces that skip such bullshit and instead they talk with people and take a quick look at Github/past experience. I have more important things to do and recruiters keep emailing me about interviews every week. And yeah, I have a job in software development.

> recruiters keep emailing me about interviews every week Be aware that most of those are basically a scam. Trying to force you into some random job just so they can get the provision.

I think some are just interested in your data, such as current salary and location.

Re: 61% of “Entry-Level” Jobs Require 3+ Years of Experience

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Post by alexashka »

pjc50 wrote: post #238
alexashka wrote: post #202

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There seems to be a pretty simple solution to this - you blacklist the obviously unacceptable. Not the ones you 'don't like' - the ones that don't even make sense. That process of filtering out folks using the blacklist should be automated and the blacklist should be public. I wonder if that'd make recruiting jobs almost pointless in a large number of cases however. It sure would make one think twice about spam-apply…

This is not only a PR disaster waiting to happen but probably illegal in most jurisdictions.

Neither of which are arguments against doing it.

With your logic, ending slavery in a time when it was legal, would be a PR disaster, and illegal in most jurisdictions.

Oh wait... It may even lead to a civil war. Oh wait... That has happened... Oh wait... It was actually a good thing!

That's how progress gets made - by changing existing norms and laws because they suck. Recruiting AND job searching at this moment clearly sucks. Which's not to say blacklisting is THE solution. It's A solution, which's a lot better than nothing, at least it gets the conversation going.

Re: 61% of “Entry-Level” Jobs Require 3+ Years of Experience

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Post by dragonwriter »

alexashka wrote: post #329
pjc50 wrote: post #238

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This is not only a PR disaster waiting to happen but probably illegal in most jurisdictions.

Neither of which are arguments against doing it. With your logic, ending slavery in a time when it was legal, would be a PR disaster, and illegal in most jurisdictions. Oh wait... It may even lead to a civil war. Oh wait... That has happened... Oh wait... It was actually a good thing! That's how progress gets made - by changing existing norms and laws because they suck. Recruiting AND job searching at this moment cle…

Ending slavery didn't cause the Civil War, the Civil War made it politically possible to end slavery.
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