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How warehouses for personal junk became a $38B industry

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Re: How warehouses for personal junk became a $38B industry

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post #21

One thing I've noticed over the years reading old wills and probate records (16th -18th century) is just how few physical possessions even fairly well-off people owned. Estate inventories often list individual coats, shirts, bedding, bowls, tools, etc. I think the material wealth we have today is so incredible we don't even realize how much we've accumulated and could probably do without.

Reminds me of the proverbial "Great Depression Mindset" that I noticed in my grandparents. Also this comment I came across on Reddit's Bestof recently that made me see the world and myself a little differently:

> Minimalism often focuses on a few high quality pieces that serve many purposes. When you're poor, you often can't afford higher quality or multipurpose...

https://np.reddit.com/r/minimalism/comments/86pkeu/meta_can_...

Re: How warehouses for personal junk became a $38B industry

#62
post #39

Are there any apps to buy and sell spare space, e.g. in your garage, or basement?

I've heard of a couple of startups in London giving that a go. The same person who I was discussing that also told me that they had problems with illegal goods and potential insurance voiding - in case of fire/pests home insurance wouldn't pay for the damages because that would be considered running a business from your property which is likely not covered by your average house insurance .

Edit: some UK based startups in the area http://ww.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/business-38211628

Re: How warehouses for personal junk became a $38B industry

#63
post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree with you and there are short term reasons to put everything in storage. There is another group that just has stuff squirreled away "in case". I personally believe that most people would be happier following a less is more philosophy which can be approached simply by throwing out or selling or donating anything you haven't worn/used in the last year (or two).

Throwing stuff out is hard to do if you are poor or were raised poor. Everything you save now does not have to be bought later. There is a potential use for anything and everything, so you might as well keep it. Granted, at a certain point the cost of the storage facility exceeds the amount saved, but the mindset is still there.

It is and I know what you mean (grew up in a house with 8 kids, hand-me-downs and cheap meals). I personally always feel better, the more stuff I get rid of or donate. I hate looking in my shed or closet and just seeing junk. Its value is so marginal and purging every year helps to prevent accumulation in the first place. It is tough and I have a lot more to do too.

Re: How warehouses for personal junk became a $38B industry

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's junk if you don't know what it is. My sister's mother-in-law spends about $1000/mo on storage units in 6 cities. They were a military family and moved frequently. The problem is that they don't remember what is in the storage units, and the cost of traveling across the country to go through a closet is steep and of questionable value. So she is stuck in a cycle of paying for things that she may or may not need.…

That is an astonishing amount of money. Is it not possible to have everything packed up and shipped to their current location? Even if paying someone to do this cost $2000 for each unit that would still pay itself back after a year.

My guess is that there are other personal issues at play. I think that there is "heirloom" furniture involved, etc.

From articles I've read and conversations that I've had with different folks, I don't think that scenario is uncommon.

Re: How warehouses for personal junk became a $38B industry

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's junk if you don't know what it is. My sister's mother-in-law spends about $1000/mo on storage units in 6 cities. They were a military family and moved frequently. The problem is that they don't remember what is in the storage units, and the cost of traveling across the country to go through a closet is steep and of questionable value. So she is stuck in a cycle of paying for things that she may or may not need.…

That is an astonishing amount of money. Is it not possible to have everything packed up and shipped to their current location? Even if paying someone to do this cost $2000 for each unit that would still pay itself back after a year.

What's astonishing is that the military would pay for each of those moves and they still didn't do it.

Re: How warehouses for personal junk became a $38B industry

#66

How common is it for people to live in them? Any data on that?

That's likely against all sorts of health and safety regulations . Having said that, there lots of small business in the UK being run from storage units - eBay shops, mail order, and even a karate training IIRC.

Edit: links

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-25336446 https://www.safestore.co.uk/blog/2016/07/martial-arts-self-s...

Re: How warehouses for personal junk became a $38B industry

#67
post #4

I try to be pretty slow to criticize people for taking advantage of a service that they find valuable. Calling things in these storage units "junk" is a moral judgement that's repeated a bit early on and then cast off to make room for the more mundane rundown of the market analysis. In the end, there's no way to know the ratio of people getting good value out of this storage to the number of people throwing good mone…

I agree with you and there are short term reasons to put everything in storage. There is another group that just has stuff squirreled away "in case". I personally believe that most people would be happier following a less is more philosophy which can be approached simply by throwing out or selling or donating anything you haven't worn/used in the last year (or two).

How would throwing stuff away that is in storage make you happier? I mean, I understand saying it is a waste of money, but if it is in storage and you never look at it or even think about it really, how would it make you happier for it to not be there?

Re: How warehouses for personal junk became a $38B industry

#68

Very simple explanation, living space for people has shrunk. Hard to store your holiday items or old equipment in the basement of your house, if you can't afford a house in the first place.

Is it just Americans who got large houses while land is/was cheap-ish? I remember having to go on a work trip and staying overnight with a coworker in Reading, UK to make a morning train and was amazed at how small their house was for a family of four (and they said it was typical for Europeans) compared to how large the house I had back in Austin where I just bought something in a nice neighborhood and would have ha…

It is all about density. Europe in general is more dense; if you go to a crowded city in the US, you will find similar sizes.

Re: How warehouses for personal junk became a $38B industry

#69
post #43

A lot of storage is a real estate play. Buy land in the direction of where cities are growing. Pay your mortgage with storage facilities sitting on top until the land appreciates.

A neighbour of mine has a spare piece of waste land in an industrial area on the edge of a nearby town. He has opened a storage facility using shipping containers. They come over to the UK from China and are not worth shipping back empty, so you can buy them cheaply and then just supply a padlock to clients.

They put up some shipping container apartments a few blocks from me: http://www.theoscarphx.com/

A/C bill has to be insane...

Re: How warehouses for personal junk became a $38B industry

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I try to be pretty slow to criticize people for taking advantage of a service that they find valuable. Calling things in these storage units "junk" is a moral judgement that's repeated a bit early on and then cast off to make room for the more mundane rundown of the market analysis. In the end, there's no way to know the ratio of people getting good value out of this storage to the number of people throwing good mone…

> Calling things in these storage units "junk" is a moral judgement (...)

Junk is just what you call other people's stuff.

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