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Re: Ask HN: What will happen to React if we #deleteFacebook?

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React is open-source it will live on. But to address your underlying implication that Facebook is going down, as much as many of us would like to believe otherwise, this will blow over in a matter of weeks. Facebook will emerge out the other side stronger than ever. The outrage machine of the internet is working well lately, but it's still mostly toothless. Even potential regulator or court involvement is unlikely to…

I thought Facebook going down was way overblown too, so i decided to ask my friends, many are just there to buy clothes, social sharing or reading up shared news. They are normal, everyday users, who are not into tech at all. There answer were along the line; 1. What is Cambridge Analytics's? 2. I dont know what happen to facebook recently. 3. My data is being collected? So? 4. Oh 5. Can I still buy and shop on Faceb…

> My data is being collected? So?

I have had this exact same response from so many of my friends. I find myself hard to explain in a manner that is non-technical. Is there a nice explanation that I can say when someone tells this to me next time ?

Re: Ask HN: What will happen to React if we #deleteFacebook?

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post #23
post #6

React is open-source it will live on. But to address your underlying implication that Facebook is going down, as much as many of us would like to believe otherwise, this will blow over in a matter of weeks. Facebook will emerge out the other side stronger than ever. The outrage machine of the internet is working well lately, but it's still mostly toothless. Even potential regulator or court involvement is unlikely to…

I thought Facebook going down was way overblown too, so i decided to ask my friends, many are just there to buy clothes, social sharing or reading up shared news. They are normal, everyday users, who are not into tech at all. There answer were along the line; 1. What is Cambridge Analytics's? 2. I dont know what happen to facebook recently. 3. My data is being collected? So? 4. Oh 5. Can I still buy and shop on Faceb…

If we see #deletefacebook as a trend. It takes time to propagate. Once it become "uncool" to be on facebook, it ll be gone for good..

If Facebook lose its young users, it is only a matter of time before the older people follow where ever the young is going..

Re: Ask HN: What will happen to React if we #deleteFacebook?

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post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I thought Facebook going down was way overblown too, so i decided to ask my friends, many are just there to buy clothes, social sharing or reading up shared news. They are normal, everyday users, who are not into tech at all. There answer were along the line; 1. What is Cambridge Analytics's? 2. I dont know what happen to facebook recently. 3. My data is being collected? So? 4. Oh 5. Can I still buy and shop on Faceb…

> My data is being collected? So? I have had this exact same response from so many of my friends. I find myself hard to explain in a manner that is non-technical. Is there a nice explanation that I can say when someone tells this to me next time ?

What's the explanation if you can be as technical as you want?

Re: Ask HN: What will happen to React if we #deleteFacebook?

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post #4

Wait 3 months and a new javascript framework will be en vogue.

As far as UI frameworks go, JS fatigue has slowed down dramatically in the past couple years.

What? I'm 24 and I already feel like I'm outdated in web dev, because:

* Vue appeared in the last couple of years (At least I learned that)

* Everyone uses React and I never wanted to use it because facebook.

* npm is not cool now it's yarn

* var is not cool now it's let

* Babel is in every new project now, all your browser supporting mind is useless now.

* Vue alone is not cool, now you have to use vue-x

* Bootstrap is not cool, now it's materialize/bulma/whatever

Everything is changing all the time. 1 year after you typed something, it is outdated or vulnerable because of some dependency.

Re: Ask HN: What will happen to React if we #deleteFacebook?

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As far as UI frameworks go, JS fatigue has slowed down dramatically in the past couple years.

What? I'm 24 and I already feel like I'm outdated in web dev, because: * Vue appeared in the last couple of years (At least I learned that) * Everyone uses React and I never wanted to use it because facebook. * npm is not cool now it's yarn * var is not cool now it's let * Babel is in every new project now, all your browser supporting mind is useless now. * Vue alone is not cool, now you have to use vue-x * Bootstrap…

Vue arrived in 2013 I believe, but it has gotten more popular in the past year. React's a good framework regardless of Facebook's flaws as a company. NPM's functionality has caught up with Yarn and NPM 5+ is pretty solid overall. The competition from Yarn was good for NPM and helped improve its design. But in terms of UI frameworks, we seem to have peaked. New frameworks are coming out, to be sure...but it seems like devs are pretty happy with React/Vue or React clones at this point.

Re: Ask HN: What will happen to React if we #deleteFacebook?

#36
post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I thought Facebook going down was way overblown too, so i decided to ask my friends, many are just there to buy clothes, social sharing or reading up shared news. They are normal, everyday users, who are not into tech at all. There answer were along the line; 1. What is Cambridge Analytics's? 2. I dont know what happen to facebook recently. 3. My data is being collected? So? 4. Oh 5. Can I still buy and shop on Faceb…

If we see #deletefacebook as a trend. It takes time to propagate. Once it become "uncool" to be on facebook, it ll be gone for good.. If Facebook lose its young users, it is only a matter of time before the older people follow where ever the young is going..

Is this sarcasm?

Re: Ask HN: What will happen to React if we #deleteFacebook?

#37
post #22
post #14

#deleteFacebook is not going anywhere. In 2 weeks, people will be outraged at something else and move on.

I second your opinion. React Native has come a long way but it has failed somehow to prove its worth. Well, Before anyone bombards me with the criticism I would want to clarify that I am talking about performance here (Specially on Android)

It's bad, like most web technologies [used to make rich interfaces].

But it works. Well enough for a lot of people to adopt it.

Re: Ask HN: What will happen to React if we #deleteFacebook?

#38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What? I'm 24 and I already feel like I'm outdated in web dev, because: * Vue appeared in the last couple of years (At least I learned that) * Everyone uses React and I never wanted to use it because facebook. * npm is not cool now it's yarn * var is not cool now it's let * Babel is in every new project now, all your browser supporting mind is useless now. * Vue alone is not cool, now you have to use vue-x * Bootstrap…

Vue arrived in 2013 I believe, but it has gotten more popular in the past year. React's a good framework regardless of Facebook's flaws as a company. NPM's functionality has caught up with Yarn and NPM 5+ is pretty solid overall. The competition from Yarn was good for NPM and helped improve its design. But in terms of UI frameworks, we seem to have peaked. New frameworks are coming out, to be sure...but it seems like…

Vue was originally released in 2014 according to Wikipedia, and as you say, it got popular in the past year or two. With this and all the stuff you mentioned, that's a lot of stuff happening in a small amount of time. That is not an environment to build a stable code base. Meanwhile, python changed one function in 7 years and everyone is complaining (print now needs parenthesis).

Re: Ask HN: What will happen to React if we #deleteFacebook?

#39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Vue arrived in 2013 I believe, but it has gotten more popular in the past year. React's a good framework regardless of Facebook's flaws as a company. NPM's functionality has caught up with Yarn and NPM 5+ is pretty solid overall. The competition from Yarn was good for NPM and helped improve its design. But in terms of UI frameworks, we seem to have peaked. New frameworks are coming out, to be sure...but it seems like…

Vue was originally released in 2014 according to Wikipedia, and as you say, it got popular in the past year or two. With this and all the stuff you mentioned, that's a lot of stuff happening in a small amount of time. That is not an environment to build a stable code base. Meanwhile, python changed one function in 7 years and everyone is complaining (print now needs parenthesis).

Haha, you're forgetting the whole Python 2 vs 3 fiasco. But also, if you look back at JS back in 2012/2013, there were 6 or 7 popular UI frameworks (AngularJS, Knockout, JQuery, Ember, etc). It was churning very fast. React has been dominant for 3 years now and I don't see it slowing down.

Re: Ask HN: What will happen to React if we #deleteFacebook?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Vue was originally released in 2014 according to Wikipedia, and as you say, it got popular in the past year or two. With this and all the stuff you mentioned, that's a lot of stuff happening in a small amount of time. That is not an environment to build a stable code base. Meanwhile, python changed one function in 7 years and everyone is complaining (print now needs parenthesis).

Haha, you're forgetting the whole Python 2 vs 3 fiasco. But also, if you look back at JS back in 2012/2013, there were 6 or 7 popular UI frameworks (AngularJS, Knockout, JQuery, Ember, etc). It was churning very fast. React has been dominant for 3 years now and I don't see it slowing down.

I mentionned the print statement, which is honestly what was keeping most people from migrating to 3.
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