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Re: Ask HN: Any recommended resources to develop system thinking?

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Gerald Weinberg has several books on the topic [0, 1]. Dorner [2] has a short, sharp, thoughtful book on our biases in analyzing complex systems.

[0] 'An Introduction to General Systems Thinking', Gerald Weinberg [1] 'General Principles of Systems Design', Gerald Weinberg [2] 'The Logic Of Failure: Recognizing And Avoiding Error In Complex Situations', Dietrich Dorner

Re: Ask HN: Any recommended resources to develop system thinking?

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I find the visibly distinct split in recommendations to be fascinating. Of the books I've read, Sterman's Business Dynamics: Systems Thinking and Modeling for a Complex World is the best all-round introduction to both the theory and practice of systems thinking. There are a lot of books and as a family of related fields, systems have historically attracted creative and iconoclastic thinkers. That can be fun, but also…

I can only support the recommendation. It not only has good insights on systems thinking, it also pays a lot of attention on communicating systems thinking and recommendations based on it to others since, as a rule, to get any meaningful changes done at least half of the work is convincing other people.

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Rich Hickey has some great talks on YouTube. If you are a software engineer: Build a simple database, a simple interpreter, and a simple web application (backend and frontend). Read about “distributed systems”, “devops”, “Conway’s Game Of Life”, and “fractals”. Read about these technologies/techniques (in whatever order is comfortable), how they work, their pros and cons, why they were created, how they compare to al…

> how to build sustainable systems

Well, except for reactive programming

Re: Ask HN: Any recommended resources to develop system thinking?

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I find the visibly distinct split in recommendations to be fascinating. Of the books I've read, Sterman's Business Dynamics: Systems Thinking and Modeling for a Complex World is the best all-round introduction to both the theory and practice of systems thinking. There are a lot of books and as a family of related fields, systems have historically attracted creative and iconoclastic thinkers. That can be fun, but also…

As an aside, I see that while amazon.com currently lists them quite highly priced right now, alibris.com can find some much cheaper versions. Second hand prices on amazon are sometimes surprisingly high, and sometimes, their new prices too - I routinely check bookdepository, wordery, booksplea.se, agreatread, thriftbooks, abebooks and alibris - each of them bests the others and Amazon frequently enough to keep checki…

Piranhas.co does the same, though with less sites. It also includes shipping costs.

Re: Ask HN: Any recommended resources to develop system thinking?

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Gerald Weinberg has several books on the topic [0, 1]. Dorner [2] has a short, sharp, thoughtful book on our biases in analyzing complex systems. [0] 'An Introduction to General Systems Thinking', Gerald Weinberg [1] 'General Principles of Systems Design', Gerald Weinberg [2] 'The Logic Of Failure: Recognizing And Avoiding Error In Complex Situations', Dietrich Dorner

I second the recommendation of Weinberg, its a classic.

Re: Ask HN: Any recommended resources to develop system thinking?

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Rich Hickey has some great talks on YouTube. If you are a software engineer: Build a simple database, a simple interpreter, and a simple web application (backend and frontend). Read about “distributed systems”, “devops”, “Conway’s Game Of Life”, and “fractals”. Read about these technologies/techniques (in whatever order is comfortable), how they work, their pros and cons, why they were created, how they compare to al…

Missing the thing that has had the single biggest impact on how I personally think about programming: Learning a properly typed language (e.g. Haskell).

I'd also substitute Ansible with Nix/NixOS because the conceptual takeaways are much greater there.

Re: Ask HN: Any recommended resources to develop system thinking?

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The box-and-arrows paradigm for systems, built in the 50s and enjoying popularity briefly in the 80s, is overrated, and has been outmoded by the likes of complexity theory. This is due to the fact that box-and-arrows systems like those made by Club of Rome to predict civilizational collapse carry strong assumptions as to the nature and structure of underlying variables and as such become very brittle as the size of t…

"complexity theory" is very important! ----- my favorite: New England Complex Systems Institute (NECSI) website! * About Complex Systems : "Concept Map" http://www.necsi.edu/guide/concepts/conceptmap.html * Learn: http://necsi.edu/learn.html * "Dynamics of Complex Systems" - Full PDF: http://necsi.edu/publications/dcs/index.html * NECSI Seminar Video Library: http://www.necsi.edu/events/vidlib/ * Research: http://nec…

Came here to post Dynamics of Complex Systems. Just the information on renormalization groups and multi-scale behavior makes it worth the time. And it's Free!

Re: Ask HN: Any recommended resources to develop system thinking?

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Learn by watching and reading materials released by great system thinkers.

Ludwig von Bertalanffy

https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=dp_byline_sr_ebooks_1?text=Ludw...

John Seddon

https://youtu.be/hbNsQFd8DQw

https://youtu.be/kjKG011gsJ4

https://youtu.be/FbmuqYRi8z4

Theory of Constraints

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B002LHRM2O The Goal / Eli Goldratt

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00KYW1L66 Necessary but Not Sufficient / Eli Goldratt

https://www.amazon.com/dp/0884271137 It's Not Luck / Eli Goldratt

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00408ALES Isn't it Obvious? / Eli Goldratt

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B002LHRM2E Critical Chain / Eli Goldratt

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B004THZ9VK Be Fast or Be Gone / Andreas Scherer

https://www.amazon.com/dp/1499660901 Hanging Fire / Jeff Cox

https://www.amazon.com/dp/1439158932 Velocity / Dee Jacob

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00XKX1FEO Epiphanized / Bob Sproull & Bruce Nelson

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0185JFYEO Focus and Leverage / Bob Sproull & Bruce Nelson

A full list of books on ToC here http://www.tocico.org/?page=toc_books

Russell L. Ackoff

https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=dp_byline_sr_book_1?search-alia...

Gerald M. Weinberg

https://www.amazon.com/Gerald-M.-Weinberg/e/B00459FFAC/

Philip B. Crosby

https://www.amazon.com/Philip-B.-Crosby/e/B001HD360A

Peter M. Senge

https://www.amazon.com/Peter-M.-Senge/e/B000AQ8R86/

And many more, most of which are mentioned by the above in their work.

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