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Eating out increases levels of phthalates in the body, study finds

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Re: Eating out increases levels of phthalates in the body, study finds

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Post by forgotmypw »

goldenkey wrote: post #7
forgotmypw wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is little difference between "fast food chains" and "restaurants in general". Fast food chains make their food from prepared components that they buy in bulk through some sort of homogenized supply chain. So do most restaurants. Fast food chains involve a lot of plastic in their food preparation, even hot food and even while cooking. So do most restaurants. Fast food chains use food components that are optimize…

Isn't this like saying macro-nutrients are all that matters? Pop a vitamin and eat slop made from grounding up all the animal parts? In theory it makes sense but we haven't even begun to understand the millions of different hydrocarbons in a small piece of meat. So there is an unscientific albeit widely believed statement about quality ingredients. There isn't legislation to make sure only X is allowed in a processed…

I'm not sure if you thought I was defending fast food. I was merely saying that most prepared food that is not "fast food" is not great either.

I think that the best we can do today is approximate as closely as possible the diet (and lifestyle) we have been evolving for in the millions of years prior to industrial agriculture.

To me, that means a diet of mainly plants and a little meat, mostly raw, some cooked with direct heat, occasional fasting, sleep and rest as allowed by circumstances, lots of getting dirty, and not stressing about macro things we can't change.

P.S. nih.gov links do not work without JS. I like your logo design.

Re: Eating out increases levels of phthalates in the body, study finds

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Post by prepend »

pipio21 wrote: post #5

This should be "Eating out in industrialized fast food American food chains increases levels of phthalates in the body". A restaurant is a different thing. In places like Spain, France or Italy when you say "restaurant" you never refer to "MacDonnals", "BurgerKing" or "FostersHollywood".

What are you talking about? BurgerKing is certainly classified as a restaurant in Spain, France, and Italy. What do they call these places? I’m not sure how you validate such an absolute statement. My own travels had many examples of people in these countries using restaurant to refer to both fast food and sit down restaurants.

There are thousands of web pages like this s one using restaurant to describe McDonalds in Spain - https://www.quora.com/What-is-mcdonalds-in-Spain-like

Re: Eating out increases levels of phthalates in the body, study finds

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prepend wrote: post #12
pipio21 wrote: post #5

This should be "Eating out in industrialized fast food American food chains increases levels of phthalates in the body". A restaurant is a different thing. In places like Spain, France or Italy when you say "restaurant" you never refer to "MacDonnals", "BurgerKing" or "FostersHollywood".

What are you talking about? BurgerKing is certainly classified as a restaurant in Spain, France, and Italy. What do they call these places? I’m not sure how you validate such an absolute statement. My own travels had many examples of people in these countries using restaurant to refer to both fast food and sit down restaurants. There are thousands of web pages like this s one using restaurant to describe McDonalds in…

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Re: Eating out increases levels of phthalates in the body, study finds

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Post by arthurbrown »

prepend wrote: post #12
pipio21 wrote: post #5

This should be "Eating out in industrialized fast food American food chains increases levels of phthalates in the body". A restaurant is a different thing. In places like Spain, France or Italy when you say "restaurant" you never refer to "MacDonnals", "BurgerKing" or "FostersHollywood".

What are you talking about? BurgerKing is certainly classified as a restaurant in Spain, France, and Italy. What do they call these places? I’m not sure how you validate such an absolute statement. My own travels had many examples of people in these countries using restaurant to refer to both fast food and sit down restaurants. There are thousands of web pages like this s one using restaurant to describe McDonalds in…

You're referencing a quora post by an American about some time spent in Spain. How is this an authoritative source? The following answer specifically rails against fast food and contrasts it against "restaurants and tapas bars", implying a difference.

Sure you can use restaurant as a term to refer to a "place where food can be ordered" -- but if someone speaks the word, fast food is not what comes to mind.

Re: Eating out increases levels of phthalates in the body, study finds

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Post by LandR »

prepend wrote: post #12
pipio21 wrote: post #5

This should be "Eating out in industrialized fast food American food chains increases levels of phthalates in the body". A restaurant is a different thing. In places like Spain, France or Italy when you say "restaurant" you never refer to "MacDonnals", "BurgerKing" or "FostersHollywood".

What are you talking about? BurgerKing is certainly classified as a restaurant in Spain, France, and Italy. What do they call these places? I’m not sure how you validate such an absolute statement. My own travels had many examples of people in these countries using restaurant to refer to both fast food and sit down restaurants. There are thousands of web pages like this s one using restaurant to describe McDonalds in…

I'm in the UK and know no one who would call McDonalds or Burger King a restaurant.

I wouldn't call TGIFriday a restaurant either.

Re: Eating out increases levels of phthalates in the body, study finds

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Post by forgotmypw »

coldtea wrote: post #8
forgotmypw wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is little difference between "fast food chains" and "restaurants in general". Fast food chains make their food from prepared components that they buy in bulk through some sort of homogenized supply chain. So do most restaurants. Fast food chains involve a lot of plastic in their food preparation, even hot food and even while cooking. So do most restaurants. Fast food chains use food components that are optimize…

> Fast food chains make their food from prepared components that they buy in bulk through some sort of homogenized supply chain. So do most restaurants. Fast food chains involve a lot of plastic in their food preparation, even hot food and even while cooking. So do most restaurants. Fast food chains use food components that are optimized for shelf life, using whatever chemicals that the FDA said are "generally recogn…

I'm including both corporate chains like TGIF and Chipotle, in addition to:

* that sushi restaurant in the strip mall, that serves you rice cooked with fluoride water and soy sauce with sodium beonzoate

* that "gourmet" deli that serves you sodium nitrate-laden on top of pesticide- and preservative-laden bread with a yellow #5 pickle.

* that coffee shop that pours a hot beverage at 140F/60C into a plastic-lined, plastic-lidded cup.

* that cafeteria in that corporate office that heats up frozen soup in a plastic bag before pouring it into the serving pot.

* and so on

Our food system resembles a Brave New World-esque intelligence test that most of us are failing.

Re: Eating out increases levels of phthalates in the body, study finds

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Post by AstralStorm »

coldtea wrote: post #8
forgotmypw wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is little difference between "fast food chains" and "restaurants in general". Fast food chains make their food from prepared components that they buy in bulk through some sort of homogenized supply chain. So do most restaurants. Fast food chains involve a lot of plastic in their food preparation, even hot food and even while cooking. So do most restaurants. Fast food chains use food components that are optimize…

> Fast food chains make their food from prepared components that they buy in bulk through some sort of homogenized supply chain. So do most restaurants. Fast food chains involve a lot of plastic in their food preparation, even hot food and even while cooking. So do most restaurants. Fast food chains use food components that are optimized for shelf life, using whatever chemicals that the FDA said are "generally recogn…

Restaurants of some kind ha. Technically not even many takeaways use packaging that may or may not increase phthalate content. Much less utensils.

The other question is how much and why does it matter?

Re: Eating out increases levels of phthalates in the body, study finds

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Post by AstralStorm »

forgotmypw wrote: post #16
coldtea wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Fast food chains make their food from prepared components that they buy in bulk through some sort of homogenized supply chain. So do most restaurants. Fast food chains involve a lot of plastic in their food preparation, even hot food and even while cooking. So do most restaurants. Fast food chains use food components that are optimized for shelf life, using whatever chemicals that the FDA said are "generally recogn…

I'm including both corporate chains like TGIF and Chipotle, in addition to: * that sushi restaurant in the strip mall, that serves you rice cooked with fluoride water and soy sauce with sodium beonzoate * that "gourmet" deli that serves you sodium nitrate-laden on top of pesticide- and preservative-laden bread with a yellow #5 pickle. * that coffee shop that pours a hot beverage at 140F/60C into a plastic-lined, plas…

And again, this miniscule phthalate level increases matters why? (Even cumulative.)

Please answer with solid evidence of morbidity. Guardian did not do the homework. The studies on phthalates are quite tenuous for adults. There are a few which link to developmental problems.

This is a very different case from children chewing on phthalate containing foams or sleeping in such. Which has been quite clearly linked. The risk is mainly for pregnant women then?

Regardless, most of the problems would be related to packaging. Ditch styrofoam and plastic. Use ones certified phthalate free.

Oh and Guardian published this some years ago in a better way. Misrepresenting evidence then too.

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2015/feb/10/phthala...

Sounds like some sort of agenda.

The other quotes border on conspiracy theory.

Re: Eating out increases levels of phthalates in the body, study finds

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Post by origami777 »

forgotmypw wrote: post #16
coldtea wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Fast food chains make their food from prepared components that they buy in bulk through some sort of homogenized supply chain. So do most restaurants. Fast food chains involve a lot of plastic in their food preparation, even hot food and even while cooking. So do most restaurants. Fast food chains use food components that are optimized for shelf life, using whatever chemicals that the FDA said are "generally recogn…

I'm including both corporate chains like TGIF and Chipotle, in addition to: * that sushi restaurant in the strip mall, that serves you rice cooked with fluoride water and soy sauce with sodium beonzoate * that "gourmet" deli that serves you sodium nitrate-laden on top of pesticide- and preservative-laden bread with a yellow #5 pickle. * that coffee shop that pours a hot beverage at 140F/60C into a plastic-lined, plas…

Are they really the same? It's hard for me to believe that. Seems like fast food chains would have the things you list + many other bad things.

Re: Eating out increases levels of phthalates in the body, study finds

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Post by forgotmypw »

AstralStorm wrote: post #18
forgotmypw wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm including both corporate chains like TGIF and Chipotle, in addition to: * that sushi restaurant in the strip mall, that serves you rice cooked with fluoride water and soy sauce with sodium beonzoate * that "gourmet" deli that serves you sodium nitrate-laden on top of pesticide- and preservative-laden bread with a yellow #5 pickle. * that coffee shop that pours a hot beverage at 140F/60C into a plastic-lined, plas…

And again, this miniscule phthalate level increases matters why? (Even cumulative.) Please answer with solid evidence of morbidity. Guardian did not do the homework. The studies on phthalates are quite tenuous for adults. There are a few which link to developmental problems. This is a very different case from children chewing on phthalate containing foams or sleeping in such. Which has been quite clearly linked. The…

Not sure what kind of agenda you are implying... Prematurely stop plastic use in food production/packaging before we are completely sure it affects our health negatively?

All I know is that this is new, untested input into a 4-billion-year-old tangle of spaghetti code.

If you are confident being the guinea pig, since "human health effects of phthalates are not yet fully known but are being studied," be my guest.

* Di(2-ethylhexyl) phthalate is listed as "reasonably anticipated to be a human carcinogen"

* Current levels of seven phthalates posed "minimal" concern for causing reproductive effects.

* High levels of one phthalate, di-n-butyl phthalate, may adversely affect human reproduction or development.

Source: https://toxtown.nlm.nih.gov/text_version/chemicals.php?id=24

Source source: https://www.google.com/search?q=phthalate+site:nih.gov

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