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Re: Please Pull Over Before You Read This

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Post by taelor_rb »

kunley wrote: post #9
potatolicious wrote: post #7

So people feel the need to be constantly connected and communicating. I can sympathize with this. Maybe this means we can now embrace mass transit, where you can tweet and facebook to your heart's content without risking your own, or anyone else's life.

No. people feel the need to be artificially connected and artificially communicating while sacrificing the REAL connection and communication which is actually taking place at the moment.

I hate when people say this.

I am a bartender and a hacker. I go out at night. I have tons of friends. I can have an engaging conversation on the train with a complete stranger. I think I'm fairly social, moreover everyone else says I'm really social.

But at the same time I love Facebook. I'm on it all the time. I talk to people about their facebook comments, face to face. I talk to people telling them to expect a cool link on some new HTML 5.

Its not artificial, its just "the new hotness". I honestly think I can be hyper-social now, both through the net and the real world.

Re: Please Pull Over Before You Read This

#12

Post by potatolicious »

kunley wrote: post #9
potatolicious wrote: post #7

So people feel the need to be constantly connected and communicating. I can sympathize with this. Maybe this means we can now embrace mass transit, where you can tweet and facebook to your heart's content without risking your own, or anyone else's life.

No. people feel the need to be artificially connected and artificially communicating while sacrificing the REAL connection and communication which is actually taking place at the moment.

The more things change...

It wasn't so long ago that anything computer-related was dismissed as imaginary bits floating around a computer, with no lasting impact on life. It also wasn't so long ago that anything internet-related was dismissed as artificial, with no impact on real life.

You would think we'd realize by now that there's nothing artificial about the sort of connection and communication that we practice over the internet.

Facebook isn't the thing preventing people from communicating "in real life" - people haven't been chatting on buses for decades, long before the invention of the internet. If anything, the iPod has done more to damage the social fabric of urban areas than smartphones.

It is the curse of the city - never before has mankind lived in a denser conglomeration of his/her peers, yet been more alone. To blame this on technology instead of sociology seems misguided.

Re: Please Pull Over Before You Read This

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Post by kunley »

taelor_rb wrote: post #11
kunley wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No. people feel the need to be artificially connected and artificially communicating while sacrificing the REAL connection and communication which is actually taking place at the moment.

I hate when people say this. I am a bartender and a hacker. I go out at night. I have tons of friends. I can have an engaging conversation on the train with a complete stranger. I think I'm fairly social, moreover everyone else says I'm really social. But at the same time I love Facebook. I'm on it all the time. I talk to people about their facebook comments, face to face. I talk to people telling them to expect a co…

You missed my point, I said "at the moment", so let's repeat: it's artificial when it happens at the same time when real communication is in place already but people turn to their twitter or whatever.

On the other hand if you have a problem with what I said then it's just your another problem. I prefer to talk to people about life things not about Facebook comments. YMMV

Re: Please Pull Over Before You Read This

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Post by kunley »

potatolicious wrote: post #12
kunley wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No. people feel the need to be artificially connected and artificially communicating while sacrificing the REAL connection and communication which is actually taking place at the moment.

The more things change... It wasn't so long ago that anything computer-related was dismissed as imaginary bits floating around a computer, with no lasting impact on life. It also wasn't so long ago that anything internet-related was dismissed as artificial, with no impact on real life. You would think we'd realize by now that there's nothing artificial about the sort of connection and communication that we practice o…

Computers are not social - they are oversized counters.

Networks are not social - they are mediums to carry what counters produce.

Groups of people can be social - but if they use less expressive way of communication (read: words typed as text without the body language) then these groups of people are less social, not more. And uttering a phrase "social network" thousand times will not change this reality.

Re: Please Pull Over Before You Read This

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Post by potatolicious »

kunley wrote: post #13
taelor_rb wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hate when people say this. I am a bartender and a hacker. I go out at night. I have tons of friends. I can have an engaging conversation on the train with a complete stranger. I think I'm fairly social, moreover everyone else says I'm really social. But at the same time I love Facebook. I'm on it all the time. I talk to people about their facebook comments, face to face. I talk to people telling them to expect a co…

You missed my point, I said "at the moment", so let's repeat: it's artificial when it happens at the same time when real communication is in place already but people turn to their twitter or whatever. On the other hand if you have a problem with what I said then it's just your another problem. I prefer to talk to people about life things not about Facebook comments. YMMV

Most of the world is not Reddit ;) Which is to say, I rarely see people on Facebook talking about Facebook. In fact, they are more often than not talking about... life things.

> "it's artificial when it happens at the same time when real communication is in place already but people turn to their twitter or whatever"

Yet... even before smartphones, before you could get lost in Facebook or Twitter on a bus, people still weren't talking to each other. The fact that we are placed in a situation with great social potential, yet do nothing about it, is hardly the fault of this technology we've created. It's not as if buses and trains were the hub of social affairs prior to the invention of the mobile web.

Re: Please Pull Over Before You Read This

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Post by glhaynes »

kunley wrote: post #14
potatolicious wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The more things change... It wasn't so long ago that anything computer-related was dismissed as imaginary bits floating around a computer, with no lasting impact on life. It also wasn't so long ago that anything internet-related was dismissed as artificial, with no impact on real life. You would think we'd realize by now that there's nothing artificial about the sort of connection and communication that we practice o…

Computers are not social - they are oversized counters. Networks are not social - they are mediums to carry what counters produce. Groups of people can be social - but if they use less expressive way of communication (read: words typed as text without the body language) then these groups of people are less social, not more. And uttering a phrase "social network" thousand times will not change this reality.

less expressive way of communication (read: words typed as text without the body language)

Are books less expressive than in-person communication? I'd say they're differently expressive.

Re: Please Pull Over Before You Read This

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Post by chc »

kunley wrote: post #14
potatolicious wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The more things change... It wasn't so long ago that anything computer-related was dismissed as imaginary bits floating around a computer, with no lasting impact on life. It also wasn't so long ago that anything internet-related was dismissed as artificial, with no impact on real life. You would think we'd realize by now that there's nothing artificial about the sort of connection and communication that we practice o…

Computers are not social - they are oversized counters. Networks are not social - they are mediums to carry what counters produce. Groups of people can be social - but if they use less expressive way of communication (read: words typed as text without the body language) then these groups of people are less social, not more. And uttering a phrase "social network" thousand times will not change this reality.

I think blind people would disagree with your hypothesis.

There are many ways to socialize. I prefer some, but other people have vastly different preferences. If you're connecting with someone else on a personal level, I don't see how that's not social.

Re: Please Pull Over Before You Read This

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Post by kunley »

glhaynes wrote: post #16
kunley wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Computers are not social - they are oversized counters. Networks are not social - they are mediums to carry what counters produce. Groups of people can be social - but if they use less expressive way of communication (read: words typed as text without the body language) then these groups of people are less social, not more. And uttering a phrase "social network" thousand times will not change this reality.

less expressive way of communication (read: words typed as text without the body language) Are books less expressive than in-person communication? I'd say they're differently expressive.

If you can't see it, ask your manager. Or your manager's manager. Or someone who is actually using nlp or stuff like that. Or just grab a (any) book on psychology.

But of course, if somebody doesn't want to think on it because I offended his beloved toy for communicating, he will tend to argue endlessly instead. That's one of the most basic human behaviors: everyone is justifying what he's spending time on.

Re: Please Pull Over Before You Read This

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Post by philh »

>I’m usually at a stoplight or stuck in motionless traffic when I actually use my phone’s virtual keyboard. That factor might make might my behavior slightly less risky, but it doesn’t make it any less stupid.

Really? I would say it makes it a lot less risky, and a lot less stupid.

Re: Please Pull Over Before You Read This

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Post by russell »

josh33 wrote: post #8
lincolnq wrote: post #6

1. some bad thing recently happened due to the use of technology 2. this is symptomatic of a more general trend; obviously the technology is useful, but we're overusing it 3. back in my day nobody had this technology, and we got along just fine 4. call to action to occasionally disconnect from the technology Can we stop rehashing the same formula?

We're chopping and the branches with these laws. The root problem is our inability to recognize and respond to new risks associated with new technology. Behavior can either be changed through force (law) or persuasion (education). I'm glad this guy wrote this blog post and persuaded me to once again be more careful with these tools.

Sorry, the stupid outnumber the rational. I once was brought up short by a woman on a cell phone driving 40 mph straddling the two left lanes of a freeway where the normal speed is 70-75. Since CA passed the no-cellphone and no texting laws, there seems to be less of this insanity. The fines are modest, but with court costs it can be several hundred dollars a pop.
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