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Ecuador cuts off Julian Assange's internet access at London embassy

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Re: Ecuador cuts off Julian Assange's internet access at London embassy

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Post by deleteme12345 »

notahacker wrote: post #114
culot wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That it coincidentally happens during a coordinated anti-Russian media onslaught should be taken into consideration. The US/UK are not above fabricating evidence when it suits them, as their post-9/11 tactics have made clear.

Since September 11th the US and UK have showed they're not even willing and able to organise the covert manufacture of nerve agents to "discover" in Iraq to avoid many leading political figures being permanently discredited when nothing was found, never mind manufacturing and using nerve agents to bump off a couple of Russians in a public place in Britain for no obvious political benefit. If you genuinely think the U…

Russia has very little to gain and lots to lose from this shit move. This is not a move that you make on the international checkerboard. Stop taking us for idiots.

Re: Ecuador cuts off Julian Assange's internet access at London embassy

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Post by throwaway84742 »

gwicks56 wrote: post #6

A pringles can, and somebody sympathetic within a mile, and no problem. Unless they threaten to throw him out for accessing the internet.

I would be surprised if a Pringles can can do it. This stuff is symmetrical. If signal can get in and out from one end, it can also get in/out from the other, meaning MI6 would be able to listen in on their diplomatic correspondence. So there’s probably a serious Faraday cage around the place.

Re: Ecuador cuts off Julian Assange's internet access at London embassy

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Post by jacquesm »

colordrops wrote: post #128
jacquesm wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you fail to understand how a typical special counsel investigation works. So the fact that there are no indictments regarding to collusion to Russia at this point in time means absolutely nothing. But if there still are no such indictments when it is all over it would be safe to conclude there was no such thing.

Yes, but since there is no public evidence, and no indictments, why is the mainstream media pumping this russia fear narrative non-stop for the last 18 months? That's the topic of this thread. Why is everyone so damn sure of the truth when there is no evidence or charges? You said in this thread: > You're aware that a whole bunch of people have already been indicted and have admitted guilt? No they haven't.

Because you can safely assume that if it has happened whoever did it did not leave a box and a card with a pointer saying 'smoking gun'. Have some patience, it will all come out in time, either way. For now there is a whole lot more evidence that at least some people didn't mind playing fast and loose with the truth and that alone should be cause enough for worry. And no, none of that is 'the topic of this thread', you made it that, the topic of this thread is Assange losing comms privileges.

And the media isn't pumping any 'fear' narrative, it is for the most part reporting that which is either leaked or found in court documents.

So, nobody is 'damn sure of the truth', and neither are you and no evidence or charges does not mean there won't be any. Or do you mean to say the investigation should be closed before it has run its course because you think there never will be any charges? And if that's true what does it matter? In that case you should want it to conclude because that is the only way this thing will go away in a way that it will stay away.

Re: Ecuador cuts off Julian Assange's internet access at London embassy

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Post by crdoconnor »

Sangermaine wrote: post #123
crdoconnor wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>No one is saying the information is false or should be ignored. That was precisely the intention behind characterizing Assange as a Russian spy during the election.

No, it wasn't at all. The allegation was that Assange was selectively releasing info on Clinton and the DNC that was obtained by Russian hackers for the purpose of swaying the election in favor of Trump, or at least severely damaging Clinton. The issue was never that the information was false. Even the DNC itself confirmed that the emails were theirs. More broadly, it's that Assange uses the guise of a seemingly-neut…

>The allegation was that Assange was selectively releasing info on Clinton and the DNC that was obtained by Russian hackers

Exactly. This accusation was intended to be equal parts distraction from the contents and ad hominem.

They also mooted the idea that he was a pedophile for a while, but it didn't really take.

>either for his own or other people's agendas.

But of course. She literally expressed a desire to see him murdered because of him doling out secrets. Who would take kindly to that?

Re: Ecuador cuts off Julian Assange's internet access at London embassy

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Post by colordrops »

jacquesm wrote: post #133
colordrops wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, but since there is no public evidence, and no indictments, why is the mainstream media pumping this russia fear narrative non-stop for the last 18 months? That's the topic of this thread. Why is everyone so damn sure of the truth when there is no evidence or charges? You said in this thread: > You're aware that a whole bunch of people have already been indicted and have admitted guilt? No they haven't.

Because you can safely assume that if it has happened whoever did it did not leave a box and a card with a pointer saying 'smoking gun'. Have some patience, it will all come out in time, either way. For now there is a whole lot more evidence that at least some people didn't mind playing fast and loose with the truth and that alone should be cause enough for worry. And no, none of that is 'the topic of this thread', y…

> And the media isn't pumping any 'fear' narrative

How can you say that with a straight face? Are you not paying attention at all? It's called RUSSIAGATE and has been compared to PEARL HARBOR.

Re: Ecuador cuts off Julian Assange's internet access at London embassy

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Post by codedokode »

chx wrote: post #12

How ... convenient all of Wikileaks were damaging to the government of the USA and somehow never to the government of Russia. And, of course, Mr Assange had his show on RT (Russia Today). No way he is a Russian agent. No way.

What's wrong with damaging USA? They use military to damage other countries.

Re: Ecuador cuts off Julian Assange's internet access at London embassy

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Post by jacquesm »

colordrops wrote: post #135
jacquesm wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because you can safely assume that if it has happened whoever did it did not leave a box and a card with a pointer saying 'smoking gun'. Have some patience, it will all come out in time, either way. For now there is a whole lot more evidence that at least some people didn't mind playing fast and loose with the truth and that alone should be cause enough for worry. And no, none of that is 'the topic of this thread', y…

> And the media isn't pumping any 'fear' narrative How can you say that with a straight face? Are you not paying attention at all? It's called RUSSIAGATE and has been compared to PEARL HARBOR.

I'm saying that with a straight face because I'm not feeling any 'fear' from whatever the media wrote. If you feel fear that's your problem, not mine. Russiagate is a pretty apt description, and any comparison with PEARL HARBOR would seem to be historically pretty inaccurate, even if it is all true, which remains to be seen. But there is more than just a little bit of smoke, let's hope there is no fire because if there is a fire and hard proof is obtained it will have vast consequences. Better hope it all isn't true that would be the best outcome.

Re: Ecuador cuts off Julian Assange's internet access at London embassy

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Post by codedokode »

deleteme12345 wrote: post #131
notahacker wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Since September 11th the US and UK have showed they're not even willing and able to organise the covert manufacture of nerve agents to "discover" in Iraq to avoid many leading political figures being permanently discredited when nothing was found, never mind manufacturing and using nerve agents to bump off a couple of Russians in a public place in Britain for no obvious political benefit. If you genuinely think the U…

Russia has very little to gain and lots to lose from this shit move. This is not a move that you make on the international checkerboard. Stop taking us for idiots.

Russia has been doing this for a long time, for example Trotsky was assassinated in 1940 [1]. The goal is to remind the "traitors" that the punishment can come at any time and make them live in fear.

It reminds me how some religious communities go after the people who don't follow their rules even after they flee to other country [2].

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leon_Trotsky#Assassination

[2] https://meduza.io/en/feature/2017/05/25/we-will-set-them-str...

Re: Ecuador cuts off Julian Assange's internet access at London embassy

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Post by ddingus »

avs733 wrote: post #33
dylan-m wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Obligatory xkcd: https://xkcd.com/651/ . For someone who spends his time distributing leaked government documents, he sure has a … peculiar understanding of how the law works. (At least, how it works 99.9% of the time).

I don't mean this to sound like a cheap shot at Julian because, as many do, I have mixed feelings about him. However, what you are describing is CLASSIC narcissism. That doesn't effect his work, or shouldn't really, but it does explain his personal actions and martyr complex.

Hard to say.

Given his scenario, information he has, he may simply find himself resolved to a very difficult life, willing to work to maximize it's impact.

Re: Ecuador cuts off Julian Assange's internet access at London embassy

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Post by [deleted] »

jacquesm wrote: post #64
CNJ7654 wrote: post #41

Here's the plan. We form a large enough mob of people who are dressed to look exactly like Assange (wigs and all), then he can just run into the mob and disperse, make contact with sympathizers, and flee to a less oppressive country.

I think you'll find it much harder to find enough Assange sympathizers to pull this off than it was a few years ago. He's been working pretty hard to reduce his - and WikiLeaks - image over the last couple of years. Personally I think that by now he should get it over with and walk out, be arrested, do the time for skipping bail and then he can put his extradition theory to the test. The current political leadership…

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