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61% of “Entry-Level” Jobs Require 3+ Years of Experience

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Re: 61% of “Entry-Level” Jobs Require 3+ Years of Experience

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Post by arkades »

StaticRedux wrote: post #72

3+ years doesn't mean 3+ years "in a job". That makes no sense. (Well, maybe for some companies it does, but you don't want to work there anyways). For some reason people can never get over that. It means 3+ years with a technology. It means don't walk in the door out of a Java college having used nothing else and apply to work on a Triple A game written in C++. It means don't show up after a weekend html course and…

Their statements aren’t unique to tech. 3+ years of experience were not restricted to three years -with a technology-. I saw the same shit back when I was doing healthcare QI, and there is no tech to speak of there.

In fact, they stated nothing to suggest they were looking at tech firms specifically. You seem to be reading into this what you want to see.

Re: 61% of “Entry-Level” Jobs Require 3+ Years of Experience

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Post by treis »

DaiPlusPlus wrote: post #78
treis wrote: post #75

I call bullshit. I searched "entry level developer" on indeed and spot checked 10 of them. Not one said 3 years experience required.

As other posters have pointed out, did the ads say 3 years’ experience in a similar job - or 3 years’ experience with a particular language, framework or platform? Even if someone has a Bachelors in CS, I wouldn’t hire for an entry-level C++ gif without 3 years’ experience with the language: I expect them to pick it up during their time in academia - especially as many (of the best) start coding in high-school or ear…

Id say most didn't have any years listed. They just ask for a degree + experience in pretty basic stuff.

A couple asked for 1+

One said 0-3 years

Re: 61% of “Entry-Level” Jobs Require 3+ Years of Experience

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Post by awat »

itg wrote: post #23
crimsonalucard wrote: post #2

I get it though. The employer is thinking: Why do I pay you to train you? You should pay me to train you. Lets bring back the apprentice system.

That's sort of what internships are for, but those often restricted to people studying in college, and I've even seen internship applications ask for experience in X,Y, and Z technology.

Not to mention there is a whole class signalling aspect to interships. I remember a getting an internship in college with a large defense contractor and them not seeming to understand I needed to know what the exact pay was. As much as I would have liked to play that “cool” I still needed to pay my own rent.

Re: 61% of “Entry-Level” Jobs Require 3+ Years of Experience

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Post by pmiller2 »

StaticRedux wrote: post #72

3+ years doesn't mean 3+ years "in a job". That makes no sense. (Well, maybe for some companies it does, but you don't want to work there anyways). For some reason people can never get over that. It means 3+ years with a technology. It means don't walk in the door out of a Java college having used nothing else and apply to work on a Triple A game written in C++. It means don't show up after a weekend html course and…

You are missing the point. The article is not referring specifically to tech jobs.

Re: 61% of “Entry-Level” Jobs Require 3+ Years of Experience

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Post by treis »

ikeyany wrote: post #62
TheSpiceIsLife wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you don't lie you may be out competed by those who do.

Then the focus should be on making it harder for liars to win.

How does one searching for an entry level job do this?

Re: 61% of “Entry-Level” Jobs Require 3+ Years of Experience

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Post by StaticRedux »

arkades wrote: post #81
StaticRedux wrote: post #72

3+ years doesn't mean 3+ years "in a job". That makes no sense. (Well, maybe for some companies it does, but you don't want to work there anyways). For some reason people can never get over that. It means 3+ years with a technology. It means don't walk in the door out of a Java college having used nothing else and apply to work on a Triple A game written in C++. It means don't show up after a weekend html course and…

Their statements aren’t unique to tech. 3+ years of experience were not restricted to three years -with a technology-. I saw the same shit back when I was doing healthcare QI, and there is no tech to speak of there. In fact, they stated nothing to suggest they were looking at tech firms specifically. You seem to be reading into this what you want to see.

I'm speaking on the subject based on experience in my own field (I don't presume to know other fields). But I believe what I said applies anywhere.

> An entry level position does not mean you get to learn on the job from scratch or near scratch.

Re: 61% of “Entry-Level” Jobs Require 3+ Years of Experience

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Post by sudosteph »

filoleg wrote: post #31
williamscales wrote: post #15

If you go to college and do an internship or research fellowship each summer, you will come out with "3 years" of experience.

Can you actually do that/do people do that? E.g., if someone did a software engineering internship for at least one semester every year of their college (4 years), can they count those years as field/industry experience? Albeit not full 4, but 2-3 years?

You should definitely count any part-time tech work or summer internships towards total industry experience. Companies may not count it at first, but it will end up giving you leg up. It may not seem like much, but compared to the people who got a degree without working in the industry, I guarantee you know way more and would be more useful to a company.

In my case, I got hired at an "entry" level position for a huge company along with other "new college grads" types, many with masters degrees but no experience. I was promoted within a year to the mid-tier position while my less experienced cohorts spent 2-3 years getting there. From mid-tier, it becomes more about what you actually know and what you've done rather than "years since graduated from college", so getting to senior level with only 3-4 years "full time" experience is not impossible if you play your cards right (and really do get good experience during college).

Re: 61% of “Entry-Level” Jobs Require 3+ Years of Experience

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Post by matte_black »

outworlder wrote: post #58
jaimex2 wrote: post #19

And this is why you lie on your entry level resumes kids.

Well, I once interviewed a guy who claimed to have done iOS development since 2007 – basically since the iPhone launch. There was no iOS SDK that year, it only came later. Guy was a bit embarrassed when I pointed that out. This could have been a honest mistake, but then I started looking for more "mistakes" and found a bunch more non-plausible stuff. I then went ahead and hired another guy with literally zero job exp…

This isn’t an argument to not lie, it’s an argument to know what you are lying about. I’ve seen plenty of people lie their way into great jobs.

Re: 61% of “Entry-Level” Jobs Require 3+ Years of Experience

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Post by stevenwoo »

nopassion wrote: post #80
holografix wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes you can, I’ve been in tech companies where a fair few of my colleagues are not interested in tech. They want to be part of a “winning” organisation and make money. I sure as hell wouldn’t hire someone who has no interest in what my company is doing and that level of interest would have to increase relative to the role. What tends to happen is you get very slick operators who don’t produce anything because they do…

I used to work on email archival. Anyone who says they’re passionate about that is either lying or doped up on barbiturates.

How did you get hired for email archival? Started looking at online applications and every single one has something like "Why do you want to work for us?" and yesterday I saw "How do you add to our diversity?"
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