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61% of “Entry-Level” Jobs Require 3+ Years of Experience

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Re: 61% of “Entry-Level” Jobs Require 3+ Years of Experience

#31

If you go to college and do an internship or research fellowship each summer, you will come out with "3 years" of experience.

Can you actually do that/do people do that? E.g., if someone did a software engineering internship for at least one semester every year of their college (4 years), can they count those years as field/industry experience? Albeit not full 4, but 2-3 years?

Re: 61% of “Entry-Level” Jobs Require 3+ Years of Experience

#32

If you go to college and do an internship or research fellowship each summer, you will come out with "3 years" of experience.

Does internship experience really count though, in terms of requirements listed on job descriptions?

Re: 61% of “Entry-Level” Jobs Require 3+ Years of Experience

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Look at it from the perspective of a "career in this organization", not "career of this person". It is an entry level job - it's the lowest tier in their ranking, it's the starting place, it's literally the level where new people enter the organization; it's the lowest paid and least respected position they have, filled with the least experienced and least tenured people in the whole company. It's just that they (wan…

These days your tech career ends at 35, so an average lifetime career lasts 10-12 years.

That is laughable. While age doesn't really matter, true senior talent doesn't even begin until someone has worked for at least a decade, which puts most people in their early to mid 30s

Re: 61% of “Entry-Level” Jobs Require 3+ Years of Experience

#34
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And this is why you lie on your entry level resumes kids.

You absolutely shouldn't lie. But you also shouldn't let your lack of experience stop you from applying to entry level jobs.

If you don't lie you may be out competed by those who do.

Re: 61% of “Entry-Level” Jobs Require 3+ Years of Experience

#35
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The fact that people need a source of income to live, and that they have very little influence on the price of their labor without collective bargaining.

People also need food to live, and they have no influence on the price of food; you can't go into Safeway and get a prime steak for $1.50. Yet there is such an abundance of food at such low prices that half of Westerners are overweight. The labor market must have other issues, besides these, if it's having more problems than the food market.

The grocery stores I go to have price tags on everything.

Re: 61% of “Entry-Level” Jobs Require 3+ Years of Experience

#36
There is an interesting catch-22 I've experienced regarding a recommendation the article makes - if you remove things like graduation dates, previous positions / etc. once you reach a certain age (35+ per the article), potential employers now don't have that information.

The catch-22 is, if you're not careful, now employers may think you are NOT senior and so you may be able to get a job, however, it might not be appropriate for your skill level. It can be frustrating for an experienced person.

Although, I've found that, once you have a job, generally typical employers don't really care what you've done before and forget your past experience (which is a shame for them!). Depending on the employer, most of them care, "Can you do what I want from you when I ask it of you?" and that's about it.

I've also heard the advice that says, if you have the experience, and you want a job, your resume should be explicitly tailored to no more and no less than what a job posting requests. I think the advice of obscuring your information to make yourself difficult to gage from an age perspective is an interesting approach, but it probably fits into the same category of advice.

I know this article is likely just a promotional piece for the author's business, but, I have to admit, a number of points felt pretty accurate based on my personal anecdotes.

Re: 61% of “Entry-Level” Jobs Require 3+ Years of Experience

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And this is why you lie on your entry level resumes kids.

You absolutely shouldn't lie. But you also shouldn't let your lack of experience stop you from applying to entry level jobs.

This. The take-away is that job descriptions are a poor indicator of the skills required by the company. This is why networking and referrals are so valuable, since they let you understand what the work _actually_ is.

Do not treat the years of experience as a barrier to entry.

Re: 61% of “Entry-Level” Jobs Require 3+ Years of Experience

#38
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And this is why you lie on your entry level resumes kids.

You absolutely shouldn't lie. But you also shouldn't let your lack of experience stop you from applying to entry level jobs.

You're absolutely right! You should never lie, especially when random company HR wants 10 years of NodeJs and its been around for 2 years.

Perhaps lying to get past the know-nothings in HR is acceptable. Probably not a good idea to lie to tech people you would work with.

Re: 61% of “Entry-Level” Jobs Require 3+ Years of Experience

#39
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Do we need more evidence that "Entry-Level" means "poorly paid"?

To be fair, I think even the senior levels aren't exactly well paid.

According to https://taketheexit.de/ 55% of developers feel heavily underpaid and that's something I can believe easily.

Re: 61% of “Entry-Level” Jobs Require 3+ Years of Experience

#40

The buried lede here seems to be "In real life, folks need to apply to 150-250 jobs to get a job". I'd be so, so interested to see the breakdown here, and what causes these types of numbers. Are there just enormous numbers of applicants for every job? Are people applying for jobs they aren't qualified for? How does this compare in tech vs the rest of the job market? The signal/noise ratio must be absurdly low if this…

1) Yes. Any job with entry level requirements will get 20-100 applications on craigslist in seattle (my experience). More or less applications on more or less popular platforms

2) Yes. Half or more of the applications I've reviewed are totally unqualified. Either they ignored the requirements or fudge it and flop on the interview.

3) Tech has even more noise than my personal experience due to higher pay scales and increased interest in "working in tech" (without any personal interest / passion in technology)

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