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Re: Facebook pauses app reviews, disables new user authorizations

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Post by hinkley »

miracle2k wrote: post #30

The so-called "data breach" was always in reality a by-product of an open platform that hundreds of thousands of developers could easily build apps on top. You may err on the side of "more reviews" or "less powerful API", but in the end, those ideals are in tension. The more open the platform, the more open to this kind of "breach". People who believe in the idea in this kind of platform having an API should have lon…

It’s the same problem Microsoft had. If your success hinges on unfettered access then you can’t hand wring and deflect criticism when bad things come of it.

In other words: if you power and prestige comes from getting others to do the work for you, then whose fault is it when they misbehave? It’s your fault.

Re: Facebook pauses app reviews, disables new user authorizations

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Post by ot »

ericflo wrote: post #38
miracle2k wrote: post #30

The so-called "data breach" was always in reality a by-product of an open platform that hundreds of thousands of developers could easily build apps on top. You may err on the side of "more reviews" or "less powerful API", but in the end, those ideals are in tension. The more open the platform, the more open to this kind of "breach". People who believe in the idea in this kind of platform having an API should have lon…

This is buying into the idea that security and openness are at odds. Bitcoin is extremely secure, and also open to all. The way forward is people owning all their data encrypted, and revealing zero knowledge proofs about that data to services that want access.

> Bitcoin is extremely secure, and also open to all.

And it has zero privacy: everybody can see everybody's transactions.

Re: Facebook pauses app reviews, disables new user authorizations

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Post by Domenic_S »

komali2 wrote: post #36
chupakabra1 wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

yeah yeah anyone can pledge ... like elon musk pledged a billion for openai and tesla has money issues ... it has been a fashion to pledge these days.

Why the cynicism? Should giving money away be unfashionable?

Flashily promising to give money away should not be treated the same as _actually_ giving money away.

Re: Facebook pauses app reviews, disables new user authorizations

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Post by ericflo »

ot wrote: post #42
ericflo wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is buying into the idea that security and openness are at odds. Bitcoin is extremely secure, and also open to all. The way forward is people owning all their data encrypted, and revealing zero knowledge proofs about that data to services that want access.

> Bitcoin is extremely secure, and also open to all. And it has zero privacy: everybody can see everybody's transactions.

That's because privacy was not a goal of that particular system. Pseudo-anonymity was the goal. (That's unrelated to my point about security and openness though.)

Re: Facebook pauses app reviews, disables new user authorizations

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Post by fiddlerwoaroof »

ericflo wrote: post #38
miracle2k wrote: post #30

The so-called "data breach" was always in reality a by-product of an open platform that hundreds of thousands of developers could easily build apps on top. You may err on the side of "more reviews" or "less powerful API", but in the end, those ideals are in tension. The more open the platform, the more open to this kind of "breach". People who believe in the idea in this kind of platform having an API should have lon…

This is buying into the idea that security and openness are at odds. Bitcoin is extremely secure, and also open to all. The way forward is people owning all their data encrypted, and revealing zero knowledge proofs about that data to services that want access.

The Facebook API is, now at least, a capabilities based system where you ask the user for permission to access various bits of information. The major problem these days is that people don’t read through the authorization dialogs because they want to see which Star Wars character they are.

Re: Facebook pauses app reviews, disables new user authorizations

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Post by ucaetano »

niij wrote: post #33
ucaetano wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You do realize that Zuck has pledged away 99% of his wealth? He hasn't. He has pledged to donate 99% of his wealth to a private, for-profit organization that he owns. I also pledge to donate 99% of my wealth to my bank account.

>He hasn't. He has pledged to donate 99% of his wealth to a private, for-profit organization that he owns. I initially thought you were being overly critical here. It looks like you're right, the "Initiative" he created is an LLC and not a non-profit. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chan_Zuckerberg_Initiative#Com...

Yep, and not his first rodeo either. Remember the "Internet.org", a for-profit initiative that is part of Facebook? Putting ".org" in something for-profit that tries to achieve monopoly is as dishonest as it gets...

Re: Facebook pauses app reviews, disables new user authorizations

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Post by DeusExMachina »

negamax wrote: post #18
Mc_Big_G wrote: post #7

Reading Facebook's PR as they try to fix "problems" that they previously leveraged to profit massively is like someone purposely tripping you and as you stand back up they spit in your face and say "Oh, sorry. I'll try not to do it again" in a condescending tone. [edited to remove things HN can't handle]

Wow man that's some top level hate. You do realize that Zuck has pledged away 99% of his wealth? Providing third party apps access to friends list was a strange permission. I have never used an app that asked for it. But there are plenty of dating, games and social apps that could only work with a permission like that. I think people are reading too much into this fiasco. We are better off fixing Facebook. It serves…

> It serves its purpose well.

It’s purpose being?

Maybe it’s the use I make of it, but it doesn’t add much to my life. It could go away and I could replace any of its function with something else, or not miss the function at all.

Cambridge Analytica/Obama campaign data fiascos aside, many are arguing more and more that Facebook is doing more damage than good to society.

Granted, this is hard to measure, but it’s a valid concern.

Re: Facebook pauses app reviews, disables new user authorizations

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Post by IBM »

miracle2k wrote: post #30

The so-called "data breach" was always in reality a by-product of an open platform that hundreds of thousands of developers could easily build apps on top. You may err on the side of "more reviews" or "less powerful API", but in the end, those ideals are in tension. The more open the platform, the more open to this kind of "breach". People who believe in the idea in this kind of platform having an API should have lon…

Apple got this right from the beginning despite years of criticism about the "walled garden". They took arrows for years: all the "open always wins" from the FOSS types, all the press coverage of some app developer crying about App Store rejections or onerous rules.

They didn't get it wrong because they know who butters their bread: customers. Developers are rightly prioritized last.

Fun to give this Paul Graham essay a read again [1].

[1] http://www.paulgraham.com/apple.html

Re: Facebook pauses app reviews, disables new user authorizations

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Post by 734786710934 »

niij wrote: post #33
ucaetano wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You do realize that Zuck has pledged away 99% of his wealth? He hasn't. He has pledged to donate 99% of his wealth to a private, for-profit organization that he owns. I also pledge to donate 99% of my wealth to my bank account.

>He hasn't. He has pledged to donate 99% of his wealth to a private, for-profit organization that he owns. I initially thought you were being overly critical here. It looks like you're right, the "Initiative" he created is an LLC and not a non-profit. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chan_Zuckerberg_Initiative#Com...

If you read higher up in that wiki it lists all of the money the initiative has given away so far. I'm not sure why people think that the LLC doesn't give away money.
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