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Ecuador cuts off Julian Assange's internet access at London embassy

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Re: Ecuador cuts off Julian Assange's internet access at London embassy

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post #41

Here's the plan. We form a large enough mob of people who are dressed to look exactly like Assange (wigs and all), then he can just run into the mob and disperse, make contact with sympathizers, and flee to a less oppressive country.

I think you'll find it much harder to find enough Assange sympathizers to pull this off than it was a few years ago. He's been working pretty hard to reduce his - and WikiLeaks - image over the last couple of years. Personally I think that by now he should get it over with and walk out, be arrested, do the time for skipping bail and then he can put his extradition theory to the test. The current political leadership…

> He's been working pretty hard to reduce his

His opponents -- ie: the entire western MSM apparatus -- have been working harder at that, and certainly done much more damage to Wikileaks than Assange could ever manage. Though I don't see how he's damaged the image of Wikileaks or himself much in the last couple of years. With Wikileaks' good works around the 2016 US elections you'd think would have won them plenty of goodwiil -- exposing the sham that is the US electoral system directly from the mouths of its brightest and most powerful.

That's where the immense, ongoing smear via Western MSM outlets comes in though, I suppose.

> walk out, be arrested, do the time

Definitely, just do it. It's easy for us to say, but imagine how terrifying that must be for him: who knows whose dungeon he'll end up in, but that he'll be effectively neutralized in his efficacy in regards to Wikileaks permanently is almost certain -- at the very least!

Re: Ecuador cuts off Julian Assange's internet access at London embassy

#102

Ouch. He will be out of there in no time. Hopefully someone can get the guy a 4G modem or something.

That was something suggested during the blackout of his internet access in 2016-2017, but that would certainly be grounds to rescind the Ecuadorian Welcome Mat.

Re: Ecuador cuts off Julian Assange's internet access at London embassy

#103
post #98

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harboring a left wing anti American hacker Australian. EDIT: Nevermind, I managed to miss the "anti"

I suspect the intended read is "a left-wing anti-American hacker". Reading it as "a left wing anti hacker", which would be a valid alternate reading following your suggestion, doesn't make sense to me. 'jacquesm, I have a couple of extra hyphens if you're running low.

> 'jacquesm, I have a couple of extra hyphens if you're running low.

Let me see if I can source them locally, if not I will be happy to take some of your hands.

Re: Ecuador cuts off Julian Assange's internet access at London embassy

#104
post #72

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> there are obviously a lot of brainwashed people or actual agents in this thread doing some unfair downvoting Know your audience. The only acceptable stance on HN is rabid and unsubstantiated Russiaphobia. Either don't comment or find a different community, on this topic. You're permitted to have an opinion on typesafe languages, tabs vs spaces, etc. Dissent from CIA or GCHQ talking points? Not so much.

> The only acceptable stance on HN is rabid and unsubstantiated Russiaphobia. That is simply not true.

It sure does seem like it though. If you question that narrative at all you get downvoted.

Re: Ecuador cuts off Julian Assange's internet access at London embassy

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post #29

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> But the Russian wetworks division, under Putin's authority, has its fingerprints all over the Salisbury attack. There is strong circumstantial evidence, but proof is a slightly different game. It would be nice, for example, to have a clear motive for why Russia might have poisoned the man. According to the wiki article the Russian justice system had sentenced him to 13 years in a penal colony in 2006, and then hand…

> proof is a slightly different game. this is the dicey bit with spy games. part of the goal is to ensure courtroom proof isn't available. > why Russia might have poisoned the man Kill double agents as warnings? disloyal spies aren't exactly popular. My impression is Russia is moving to an execution phase for a plan of action.

That it coincidentally happens during a coordinated anti-Russian media onslaught should be taken into consideration. The US/UK are not above fabricating evidence when it suits them, as their post-9/11 tactics have made clear.

Re: Ecuador cuts off Julian Assange's internet access at London embassy

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Most of what comes out of US mainstream media is propaganda. I support alternate sources in conjunction with those. What I don't support is getting all your info from a single narrative. Edit: there are obviously a lot of brainwashed people or actual agents in this thread doing some unfair downvoting.

> Most of what comes out of US mainstream media is propaganda. No, it isn't. There is a lot of pretty good journalism and then there is a bunch of trash. But the balance - for now - is still on the good side. If Rupert Murdoch kicked the bucket it might get a bit better still. > I support alternate sources in conjunction with those. Such as? FOX vs Russia Today is not 'alternate' by any definition. But if you want to…

> No, it isn't.

Except, yes, it is.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mockingbird

https://theintercept.com/2018/01/03/my-life-as-a-new-york-ti...

https://fair.org/take-action/action-alerts/why-were-governme...

https://fair.org/take-action/media-advisories/iraq-and-the-m...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manufacturing_Consent

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda_in_the_United_State...

Re: Ecuador cuts off Julian Assange's internet access at London embassy

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Sure, but it overcomplicates something that doesn't need to be made more complicated to be understood. If the simplest explanation works then that is usually the right one. In this case: Assange/WikiLeaks have an agenda: to hit America where it hurts, by exposing their actions on the world stage and by creating as big a rift between the different political sides in the United States as they could manage. In that they…

> In this case: Assange/WikiLeaks have an agenda: to hit America where it hurts, by exposing their actions on the world stage and by creating as big a rift between the different political sides in the United States as they could manage That might explain Assange’s US-related actions, but not those related to Catalonia or a number of other issues, all of which align with Russian interests and Russian propaganda conduc…

I'm sorry, I don't buy it. You may be right but Assange may merely be pointing out the irony of the situation. I've been wondering about this parallel myself and I'm fairly sure I'm not a Russian agent. If anything beyond 'Anti American' I would propose that he's Anti Establishment and that aligns his goals with Russia perfectly except for when it comes to Russia, which he is most likely a bit more afraid of than most other nation states.

The whole Spanish argument that secession is 'against the constitution of Spain and therefore invalid' doesn't hold much water with me, obviously no country will be happy about a part of it wanting to break away and the Spanish government handled the whole affair about as heavy handed and wrong as they possibly could.

Keep in mind that Spain is afraid of something that it doesn't want the general public to realize: that the Basques and the Catalans have as much claim to wanting to be independent as the Irish, the Scots, the Slowaks, the Czechs and so on had, and that Europe to a large extent managed to accommodate these smaller chunks of larger entities because it made the dominance of Germany and France all that much stronger.

And that circles us back to Germany, which is why it is funny how Germany is now 'damned if they do and damned if they don't', if they extradite then they will alienate the Catalonians (which, incidentally is going to cause a lot of trouble for German visitors to Catalonia this summer) and if they don't then they will be at loggerheads with Spain which they need badly in the EU.

So this is quite the little clusterfuck and Assange/Russians role is just bit players, anything to fuck up the various houses of power is to their advantage so I'm not too surprised to see Assange do this.

Neither Snowden (living in Russia), Manning nor Assange strike me as 'Russian agents', though they definitely did as much more more damage to US interests than if they had been.

Re: Ecuador cuts off Julian Assange's internet access at London embassy

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> The only acceptable stance on HN is rabid and unsubstantiated Russiaphobia. That is simply not true.

It sure does seem like it though. If you question that narrative at all you get downvoted.

Well, I'm pretty outspoken and I have a general anti-corporate streak running through me and I do not like the way the USA has comported itself on the world stage since 9/11 much. They had all the credit that they could possibly wish for and they totally fucked it up. The fact that my comments in that vein are not categorically downvoted (rather the opposite) should be a pretty strong proof that it is definitely possible to walk your own course on HN without being harassed. Where HN draws the line is: stuff that is unsourced or plainly made up or crackpot, falsehoods and apologist stuff. That will get you downvoted in a hurry.

Re: Ecuador cuts off Julian Assange's internet access at London embassy

#109
post #41

Here's the plan. We form a large enough mob of people who are dressed to look exactly like Assange (wigs and all), then he can just run into the mob and disperse, make contact with sympathizers, and flee to a less oppressive country.

I think you'll find it much harder to find enough Assange sympathizers to pull this off than it was a few years ago. He's been working pretty hard to reduce his - and WikiLeaks - image over the last couple of years. Personally I think that by now he should get it over with and walk out, be arrested, do the time for skipping bail and then he can put his extradition theory to the test. The current political leadership…

If your enemy is a state actor, playing by its rules can only guarantee the worst possible outcome. You would be lucky if you end up in prison for life. Because "suicide" is also a very real possibility.

Re: Ecuador cuts off Julian Assange's internet access at London embassy

#110
post #36

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You fully support a propaganda agency?

Sure, I support BBC which has a very strong propaganda to news ratio. I also support RT and Al Jazeera. I do not support CNN, because it's ratio is so high it's offensive to me.

An unfortunate element of propaganda is that it is designed to not be detected by the majority of those receiving it, as evidenced by the down votes you are receiving. I don't understand how the HN crowd which is clearly full of very intelligent people don't see that sources like BBC and CNN are clearly propaganda outlets.
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