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Google Has a Striking History of Bias Against Black Girls

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Re: Google Has a Striking History of Bias Against Black Girls

#133
I'm usually very critical of Google for other reasons (privacy, android etc.) but I don't see them at fault in this case, at least not of being voluntarily racist. Their algorithms "evolution" is based on what people searches and find useful, which means if say someone clicks on a link and stops searching for a while it could mean the user found what he/she was looking for. Now if thousands of people search for "black girls", the search returns say some porn links among others and most users click on them, could we expect the algorithms to ignore porn or rather to slowly adapt to what most users considered the right result?

The other points look also valid to me, but again, I don't see why Google should be labeled racist when their engine adapts to what news sources publish. Somewhere in the code there could be an association like 3 teens -> gang and a piece of code skimming news sources that reacts to all articles containing the word "gang"; now just mix the two and what you get? Just try searching for "gang" and look at the colors predominance. Search engines aren't easy to write. If I was an Eiffel language expert I would write a book titled "A tour on the Eiffel language" just to prove that. Try searching that phrase without getting submerged by images of the famous tower. Incidentally, a fun search for "a tour on the Eiffel schnitzel kraut" yielded about 90% food related results and only about 5% tower images although it still contained 100% of the terms for both, but having the word Eiffel not immediately following tour could mislead the search engine, so I changed it to "the tour Eiffel on a schnitzel kraut" and results slightly changed with more towers but also more unrelated stuff like Stonehenge.

To me a search engine should return results based on harsh reality if necessary, not church choir dreams; policing search engines results in pursuit of politically correctness would be very dangerous. We won't see that day, nor will our grand-grand-grand-grand-kids, but one day eventually racism will start vanishing from society by itself and search engines will follow, and/or we'll be socially mature enough to ignore anything that could resemble racism to a today's biased mind, giving it even less exposure.

Re: Google Has a Striking History of Bias Against Black Girls

#134
Isn't this basically the same phenomenon (and result) as instant retweeting and the like button?

If you simply reflect and amplify the behavior of the general population, you can get some pretty ugly results — which is because the general population has some actual ugly tendencies that are being accurately depicted. So the conversation needs to be about how we should actively bias the algorithm to damp out the ugliness, which is already being done by Twitter, FB, Google, etc.

I think we've done the experiment and proven pretty conclusively that a totally unbiased algorithm or information-sharing network is not a good thing for society, unless you want society to be like 4chan. Of course, that immediately opens the can of worms — who gets to decide how to bias the algorithm?

Re: Google Has a Striking History of Bias Against Black Girls

#135
Search for 'white man and white woman.' The reason I mention this is that the article implies this is some sort of result of social bias and stereotyping. As the result of that search shows (it's entirely interracial couples), it most certainly is not. No, it's a result of the fact that Google's search is not particularly smart. It's arguably the best there is, but it still comes down to correlating words to pages and that correlation is far from intelligent.

And as an aside, I think the term of bias in algorithms is misused when they are operating as intended. You'd call a poll biased if it implied it was polling group 'x', but did not actually do so due to some inadvertent bias. You wouldn't call it biased if it polled the group it stated it was going to poll and then gave the results - even if those results were not what you personally would want to see. If people are mostly searching for interracial couples when they search for 'white man and white woman' or they are mostly searching for porn when they search for 'black girls' then a biased algorithm would be one that actually returned white couples or non-pornographic results.

Re: Google Has a Striking History of Bias Against Black Girls

#136
post #22

It seems like the main crux of the argument is that being reflective of the culture is also reinforcing it - the fact that say there aren’t as many stock photos of 3 black teens while there is a lot more “mug shot” style photos is probably reflective of the usual portrayal in media, but most people generally agree that the culture shouldn’t be that way. The question is, should search algorithms show what currently is…

>It seems like the main crux of the argument is that being reflective of the culture is also reinforcing it I believe expecting Google to change its search results to match an ideological agenda (I'm not using "ideological" in a derogatory sense here) is a case of shooting the messenger. It's the job of humans to make society in the image they desire and the job of the search engine to efficiently and accurately give…

I don’t expect them to do anything - it’s their platform and is exceptionally useful. But consider their core mission to catalog and make available all the worlds information. If that information reflects the biases already inherent in the culture rather than a more objective reality (IE outsized coverage in media of black people being criminals) is it not more accurate to make a correction and show the real experience? Should it not correct for societies biases rather than confirming them?

Re: Google Has a Striking History of Bias Against Black Girls

#137
Without delving too deeply in to it, it seems google is reflecting existing biases society-wide.

This is problematic in the same way as facebook’s echo chamber effect, that it can cause a feedback loop that reinforces and heightens bias and division.

Beyond that though, I think it gets gnarly how much we want Google to fix the world by tweaking their algorithms. We obviously want something thoughtful. At the same time I don’t think we should lay all the world’s problems at google’s feet.

Re: Google Has a Striking History of Bias Against Black Girls

#138
I don't think there's a clear answer as to what Google SHOULD show for "unprofessional hairstyles." The article shows a screenshot of it showing a lot of normal-looking black women with natural hair, which of course shouldn't be considered unprofessional. But it's definitely true that society has a racist approach to black women's hair, and doesn't consider it "beautiful" unless it's straightened. Hence nearly all famous black women straighten their hair.

Should Google show black women's natural hair in the results for "unprofessional hairstyles" to accurately reflect society's unfair attitudes towards black women's hair? Or should they show actual unprofessional hairstyles like giant mohawks etc.? Or should they show a message saying "No hairstyle is unprofessional. Be who you want to be."?

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