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Bricklayers Think They’re Safe from Robots

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Re: Bricklayers Think They’re Safe from Robots

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Just makes me think there's a market for a better brickie robot. The one they show is lethargic and built like a train. Even two robotic arms, working like a human does would be tons more efficient. (I'd also like to complain about the stupid title, but it's what NYT picked)

I'm wondering why they are using an arm with a gripper, etc. Quit emulating how a human would do it, and make a machine for laying bricks.

I'm thinking something like a robot with treads, that can move in a straight line (or maybe curves), perhaps at the end of a long boom with a conveyor on it that moves bricks from a central source.

It basically grabs a brick off the end, squirts some mortar down, and lays the brick. Make the bricks shaped in a special way so they interlock better and need less mortar at the edges (they already have bricks something like this; they almost look like lego). Then it rolls to the next brick position.

Once it gets to a certain point, it "crawls up" to the next level, perhaps by gripping the level below with the treads (the mortar will probably need to be some kind of "ultra-fast setting" stuff; possibly more like epoxy than mortar), and lays the next layer, being guided by the last.

I guess I'm just saying this particular brick laying robot looks like it was designed by an engineer who, back at the beginning of heavier-than-air flight, thought an airplane needed to flap its wings to get off the ground...

Re: Bricklayers Think They’re Safe from Robots

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Just makes me think there's a market for a better brickie robot. The one they show is lethargic and built like a train. Even two robotic arms, working like a human does would be tons more efficient. (I'd also like to complain about the stupid title, but it's what NYT picked)

I imagine something like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MKcTbYDP7w except for bricks

yes that's the one. where do you live? let's create a startup.

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You are correct. We should commission a study on brick layers. Maybe the secret to long term health and happiness lies in mortar work.

Next up: voluntary labour camps where unhappy desk workers can go lay bricks to gain better life satisfaction. Learn the same techniques used by real blue-collar workers! $20,000 per team for a weekend retreat. For an extra $2,000 an ornery foreman will come out of his trailer every two hours and yell at you to get off your ass.

Considering there are already places where one can learn hands-on the operation of large heavy equipment - your idea doesn't sound all that far-fetched, and might actually be profitable.

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When you see at brick buildings built 100 years ago, it's works of art. It's apparent that amount of attention to detail is just not within range of most brick layers today. Especially when you consider price point. I'm talking stuff like this: http://www.etovidel.net/appended_files/big/4ea52a818bc08.jpg BUT, robots can change all that. You can render a wall on PC, with all mosaics and tiles and all kind of super pre…

>> it's works of art

nah, some brick houses standing here from before 1900 are anything but art: unskilled farmers pulling up 'something'. Still standing though. And no, these sine-wave walls are not by design, ask my grandfather;)

Re: Bricklayers Think They’re Safe from Robots

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I think they are right, at least for a long time. I'm not a luddite, but every time I hear people talk about how everything from laying bricks to flipping burgers to landscaping will quickly become automated I have the following thought: Humans are amazingly versatile, and amazingly cheap. If I'm making, say, peanut butter, automation makes sense. I'll put up millions of dollars to leverage large-scale automation tec…

Even if a burger-flipping robot existed today . . .

Sorry, I had to point it out; the burger flipping robot does exist (though, I don't think this really takes anything away from your point):

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-43343956

Re: Bricklayers Think They’re Safe from Robots

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When you see at brick buildings built 100 years ago, it's works of art. It's apparent that amount of attention to detail is just not within range of most brick layers today. Especially when you consider price point. I'm talking stuff like this: http://www.etovidel.net/appended_files/big/4ea52a818bc08.jpg BUT, robots can change all that. You can render a wall on PC, with all mosaics and tiles and all kind of super pre…

I'd blame Bauhaus (the movement, not the band) for the lack of fancy features on modern-era buildings before I'd blame the bricklayers -- they just do what they're paid to do and modern architecture doesn't call for that level of detail in the brickwork.

And it's such a shame that the radicalism of Gropius got all the attention and imitation when he was surrounded by equally modernist architects who pushed the subtle decorative qualities of brick to new heights. Even Gropius himself is best when he puts brick into the mix.

Re: Bricklayers Think They’re Safe from Robots

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When you see at brick buildings built 100 years ago, it's works of art. It's apparent that amount of attention to detail is just not within range of most brick layers today. Especially when you consider price point. I'm talking stuff like this: http://www.etovidel.net/appended_files/big/4ea52a818bc08.jpg BUT, robots can change all that. You can render a wall on PC, with all mosaics and tiles and all kind of super pre…

Yes, and this is not done because....?

Humans are still the chaper option. Except when the bricklayers are in shortage and the demand for brick building is not going down.

Re: Bricklayers Think They’re Safe from Robots

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Next up: voluntary labour camps where unhappy desk workers can go lay bricks to gain better life satisfaction. Learn the same techniques used by real blue-collar workers! $20,000 per team for a weekend retreat. For an extra $2,000 an ornery foreman will come out of his trailer every two hours and yell at you to get off your ass.

Considering there are already places where one can learn hands-on the operation of large heavy equipment - your idea doesn't sound all that far-fetched, and might actually be profitable.

I did this in Las Vegas. https://digthisvegas.com

I think $500 is too much if you have to pay for it personally, and I also feel gross about paying to do other people's "job", but goddamn it was fun.

Re: Bricklayers Think They’re Safe from Robots

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What countries is brick still popular for primary construction? Japan is wood, China and much of Asia is majorly concrete. Europe?

Yep. My house, and all neighbors around live in brick houses. In my country people have this strange notion from Hollywood movies that if house isn't made from bricks, you can punch though the walls with a fist :) And we also know kid stories about tree piggies.

A few years ago, a kid on a dirt bike thought he was being chased by the police and cut through a subdivision. He hit something, wiped out and was thrown into the side of a $600k McMansion at 10-15 mph.

The construction was poor and the impact caused the glue holding outside on the house to fail... most of the side of the house fell off.

Re: Bricklayers Think They’re Safe from Robots

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Surely the framing of a home is a very minor part of the total cost of construction at this point in time. My brother is a carpenter and formerly did mostly framing, and it wasn't a terribly high-paid job. He makes a lot more now doing concrete on commercial sites. All of this is to say that I'm sure yes, I'm sure automation could reduce costs there, but likely the amount of money invested in R&D and then the machine…

I live in an old (1896) house constructed with douglas fir and redwood that is thousands of years old and incredibly dense - it's hard to pound a nail into it. Today's houses are framed with wood that is very 'green', soft and flammable and cladding that is little more than thick cardboard with weathershield on one side. It seems likely the next generations of materials will be even more ephemeral and designed for sp…

If your house burns down, you get to buy another house. Capitalist wins coming and going.
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