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Bricklayers Think They’re Safe from Robots

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Re: Bricklayers Think They’re Safe from Robots

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Those brick layers (the human ones) look happy and healthy.

You are correct. We should commission a study on brick layers. Maybe the secret to long term health and happiness lies in mortar work.

It's hard to take your work home and easy to measure so not much opportunity for politics to creep in.

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Those brick layers (the human ones) look happy and healthy.

You are correct. We should commission a study on brick layers. Maybe the secret to long term health and happiness lies in mortar work.

Next up: voluntary labour camps where unhappy desk workers can go lay bricks to gain better life satisfaction. Learn the same techniques used by real blue-collar workers! $20,000 per team for a weekend retreat. For an extra $2,000 an ornery foreman will come out of his trailer every two hours and yell at you to get off your ass.

Re: Bricklayers Think They’re Safe from Robots

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They're already in field use, and are apparently fine at it. They just do big, straight wall stretches for things like hospitals. The "would lose to master masons who have to put up corners in a speed contest" metric is a bit silly - on non-corner work they're operating 3x as fast as the masons they're alongside. No real risk they're replacing humans, but they do work. https://www.technologyreview.com/s/540916/robots…

Since they replaced journeyman masons there will be no new master masons and once all the master masons are dead they'll have to do that corner work too.

Fortunately, they don't seem to have replaced journeyman masons either. Journeymen still do corners and other complex features, they just do it with oversight. Rather, there's a shortage of masons at all skill levels, and so far SAM is only cost-effective as a way to help fill that gap on very large projects.

I'm sure that will change with time regardless, but I don't think it'll be because SAM drove out human expertise.

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Fairly significant, apparently - you have to put up a scaffold alongside the wall for SAM to work. (And presumably, you need firm, open ground to put the thing on.) And they can't do corners or complex features, so when you hit those you need to either stop the machine or move it to a different part of the project. Headlines say they're 6x faster than normal masons, but that's during a given span of operation; over t…

Ideally you want a small robot that climbs the wall it builds with a crane follower being fed by brick fetching robots on the ground. If it was done properly you could fit it all on a flatbed and have it cheap enough to be bought by standard building crews.

It did cross my mind that the one guaranteed "work surface" present when building a wall is the wall itself. I'm curious how the weight situation would work out, though.

On one hand, fresh mortar can clearly support several new layers of brick as a wall is laid. On the other, common estimates suggest a 24 hour wait to reach 60% of final strength. How light would an on-wall robot have to be to work at a steady pace without disrupting the still-drying brick?

The other question, I suppose, is whether the brick-supplying robot makes that redundant. It's either going to need a scaffolding or a cart/flatbed that moves frequently to keep feeding target that moves back and forth, and if you need a ground-supported robot arm right near the wall it might just be easier to do everything that way?

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Of course - I love work. But I also don't think that it makes sense, in a world of automation, to continue to define people by their work. There is no risk of being "unsafe" just because our species has figured out a way to train robots to do what was once your job. That's really ill thinking; the future is much brighter than that.

"There is no risk of being "unsafe"" I would say the risk of being homeless because a robot means I can no longer afford my home means there's a risk of being "unsafe".

I'm not sure how to make my point more clearly - that's exactly the part to which I'm objecting.

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I mean, I know that. I get it. My point is: if we can think so far outside the box as to imagine a world where the matter around us literally moves to achieve our will , can't we also imagine a world where this precept no longer holds?

Tell Congress that.

Congress hasn't acted to automate the world; they won't act to fix the economic model either.

It's not up to Congress. It's up to us.

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Robots and humans alike are due for unemployment with our move towards pre-fab and additive manufacturing.

So the prefab parts are just going to put themselves together in the factories? Then walk themselves to the job site? And erect and inspect themselves?

> So the prefab parts are just going to put themselves together in the factories? Then walk themselves to the job site? And erect and inspect themselves?

This is "blue sky" thinking - but what if, just imagine - the bricks were each a robot?

That is - your house is a robot you live in. Maybe it could even reconfigure itself as needed. Complete science fiction at the moment, and may never be practical - but who knows?

I get what you're saying though - there'll always be some kind of jobs for humans - but they might be the low-hanging, anyone can do them type of jobs...

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Wooden buildings have the advantage that in an active seismic area they can survive (or let the occupants survive) earthquakes much better than brick. Building codes in California prefer wood pretty much for this reason, even though they are more susceptible to fire. Fires can be controlled, versus having every masonry house in a city fall down simultaneously.

There are some brick buildings in the Mediterranean which are seismically resistant. Italy, the birthplace of concrete, is seismically active after all: https://clay-wienerberger.com/expertise/brick-buildings-for-... I'm curious as to whether wood-over-brick could allow taller structures than wood or brick alone. Building cheaply in the 50-85 foot range (high-rise regulations kick in above a floor height of 75 feet)…

The latest changes to the international building code include some rules allowing masonry under wood, which is why there's an explosion of midrise apartment buildings in my area at least.

Re: Bricklayers Think They’re Safe from Robots

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I think they are right, at least for a long time. I'm not a luddite, but every time I hear people talk about how everything from laying bricks to flipping burgers to landscaping will quickly become automated I have the following thought: Humans are amazingly versatile, and amazingly cheap. If I'm making, say, peanut butter, automation makes sense. I'll put up millions of dollars to leverage large-scale automation tec…

I'm sure the next “better” McDon't will just microwave burgers prefab'ed many kmiles away.
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