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Google Has a Striking History of Bias Against Black Girls

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Re: Google Has a Striking History of Bias Against Black Girls

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I like the underlying question that the author brings up - what's google algorithm, and who's responsible for it? In the old days it was "most linked page with those keywords," right? So if you searched "gay man" and got a bunch of gay porn, is it necessarily google's fault that the internet is more gay porn that it is resources for gay men to discuss LGBT issues? Is it google's fault that news agencies more typicall…

Google was always responsible. From day one. Google has always exercised editorial control of their platform when it was in their commercial interests. They delete spam, porn, malware, etc. They tweak the search results to benefit their own properties or demote competitors (see Foundem).

Re: Google Has a Striking History of Bias Against Black Girls

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Machine learning systems are good at finding the unconscious biases of large populations. Any change to force notions of political correctness on top of that is very complicated, and makes the algorithm work worse for its intended purpose. Literally, failing to accept the discrimination inherent in the data loses you money directly or indirectly.

This is well-known, and not Google's fault. Getting offended at Google for a reality they didn't create and can't control seems silly to me. If you don't like the result, work to change the incentives. Or work to change people's biases.

This kind of problem is not new. For example insurance companies have long known that where you live affects how much they are likely to pay out. If they base insurance rates on the data, the result is that your zip code becomes a bigger determinant of insurance rates than your driving record. Which results in very large effective racial discrimination. There are laws limiting that, for example prop 109 in California. However it is an eternal struggle because, in fact, competing insurance companies have a good motivation to have the cost of insurance reflect their best estimate of the expected cost of insuring you, and their cost really is a lot higher if you're in a "black neighborhood".

Re: Google Has a Striking History of Bias Against Black Girls

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Why are white men stockpiling guns?

Why are so many white men so angry?

White men must be stopped: The very future of mankind depends [...] The future of life on the planet depends on bringing the 500-year rampage of the white man to a halt. For five centuries his ever more destructive weaponry ...

My first three DDG-results on searching 'white men'.

I shall now proceed to get over it. Suggest others do likewise.

Re: Google Has a Striking History of Bias Against Black Girls

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Do we know if Google or tech in general hires black women less than proportional to the US population?

We do, yes. https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/news/2016/06/30/google-d... > Women made up 31% of Google employees in 2015, up one percentage point since 2014, according to statistics released by the Internet giant on Thursday. One in five technical hires were women in 2015, raising the number of women in technical roles to 19% from 18% in 2014 and 17% in 2013. In 2015, women held nearly a quarter of leadership post…

> Given that women are half the population, and African Americans and Hispanics each make up about 12%, we can state categorically that Google's hiring doesn't match the general US population.

But if you account for demographics within the industry do the numbers remain biased?

For example: men account for less than 10% of nurses so if you were to go to a hospital with 50% male nurses they would be way overrepresented. Statistically speaking of course, I'm in no way trying to give the impression we need to do something about the lack of diversity within the nursing profession.

--edit--

...or maybe we need to do something about the lack of diversity in the nursing profession? Don't actually know how this ball rolls?

Re: Google Has a Striking History of Bias Against Black Girls

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post #22

It seems like the main crux of the argument is that being reflective of the culture is also reinforcing it - the fact that say there aren’t as many stock photos of 3 black teens while there is a lot more “mug shot” style photos is probably reflective of the usual portrayal in media, but most people generally agree that the culture shouldn’t be that way. The question is, should search algorithms show what currently is…

> should search algorithms show

radical thought (and goes for social media as well) -

how about making the results tunable based on user preferences & filters?

oooh wow.. user control! what a concept..

Re: Google Has a Striking History of Bias Against Black Girls

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I do not think the word "racism" is a good fit for this. There is no prejudice, or a belief that another race is superior.

This is not singling out black women. Any search for "blonde teens" during that time would yield porn-related results too. A search engine just tries to give the most relevant search. Likely, a large part of the population was in search of sex when searching for these type of queries. The "bias" is not with Google, the "bias" is in society, and Google merely reflects this.

I can also understand why "three black teenagers" would give mugshots over "three white teenagers". The term "thee black teenagers" just appears more in crime news stories. I think this is a legit societal problem, and changing perception does not change harsh reality.

I really am on the fence about the efforts to change this. For instance, the majority of people have a negative view of the "black lives matter" movement, and this is not reflected in the search engines right now. I still think people searching for "black girls" are looking for porn, not "black girls who code"-type stuff, but there is no porn in sight. So you cripple the search engines accuracy in favor of political correctness.

I feel a search for "professional" or "CEO" should reflect reality, no more, no less. I don't think a search engine index is the place to start change in society (I do think the number of female CEO's is too low, but this needs fundamental change, not a lick of paint).

I also think "cultural appropriation" is antithetical to more inclusion. If white people are restricted from wearing afro hair, dreadlocks, or hoop ear rings, these styles will always remain associated with people of color. The reverse is also true: If no black man dons a business suit, there will be no black men when searching for "professional business man", because there will be no data to support that.

I do not think anyone needs protection from search technology. I do not think it affects people's lives to a big degree, if a neural network makes a mistake and labels their partner as a gorilla. These are honest mistakes, due to not having enough training data, that nobody deliberately makes.

Re: Google Has a Striking History of Bias Against Black Girls

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Try searching Google Images for "brazilian". Her point is quite valid, and also well recognized in at least some part of the tech industry: when you "blindly" optimize for a certain audience, you risk picking up the biases of that audience. So, if you want to appeal to a broader audience than your current one, you might need to manually tune your system to remove some of the biases from your original audience. This i…

There isn't just a risk of picking up biases -- there is an absolute guarantee that biases exist and always will. In a sense that's the whole goal when giving _relevant_ results. The idea is to return information biased towards interesting and useful results.

I wish Google wasn't biased against the restaurant around the corner from me when I search for "The Trumpet", but it is. That's as it should be of course, since the audience for that result is so small.

All we're really talking about is a project that will never be completed of tailoring search results for the largest audience possible -- which is inherently a moving target.

Doing it manually as you suggest is likely hopeless and more politically fraught.

Re: Google Has a Striking History of Bias Against Black Girls

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Do we know if Google or tech in general hires black women less than proportional to the US population?

We do, yes. https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/news/2016/06/30/google-d... > Women made up 31% of Google employees in 2015, up one percentage point since 2014, according to statistics released by the Internet giant on Thursday. One in five technical hires were women in 2015, raising the number of women in technical roles to 19% from 18% in 2014 and 17% in 2013. In 2015, women held nearly a quarter of leadership post…

Probably not fair to compare against the entire population, you would need to compare against the working age population. Additionally you might want to take into account local populations for where you're hiring into.

Re: Google Has a Striking History of Bias Against Black Girls

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This is a much harder problem that it looks to a casual observer. Just imagine what kind of people would type "black girls" to Google search. Not "black girls outfit", not "black girls social bias", just "black girls".

I'll bet at least 50% of the searchers are looking for porn.

So even if Google had infinite resources, its choices are: (1) act as a moral authority and deny pornographic contents to those who are looking for them, or (2) show pornographic results to people searching for innocent stuff.

...Or maybe (3) built a perfect profile of every user and just show them what they want. But do we want to go there?

(You might be thinking that "black girls" is such an innocent term that Google should be able to determine that it's non-porn, but then the question merely shifts to less popular queries.)

Re: Google Has a Striking History of Bias Against Black Girls

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post #29
post #14

I like the underlying question that the author brings up - what's google algorithm, and who's responsible for it? In the old days it was "most linked page with those keywords," right? So if you searched "gay man" and got a bunch of gay porn, is it necessarily google's fault that the internet is more gay porn that it is resources for gay men to discuss LGBT issues? Is it google's fault that news agencies more typicall…

Also, how hard is it really to get a sense for the quality of a search and the irrelevance of its results for the vast majority of people? Given how much demographic data Google pulls in from your history, it seems to be not super hard to notice that actual black girls are repulsed by what was shown to them. It also seems easy to post a notice saying: "Hey, searchers like you have found this query to contain many irr…

The problem statement is given the sentiment space of reactions to similar clusters of search queries, minimize negative sentiment across the most clusters given resource constraints (time, cost, CPU).

This is a hard problem. There are many search queries, there are many clusters of similar search queries that address partially overlapping (topic,audience segment) pairs. Deriving sentiment scores from these segments is difficult without any feedback mechanisms. Choosing which segments to focus on is difficult or counterintuitive and depends on the topic and audience and characteristics of the audience. Once a topic and audience segment is identified for remediation, the task of effecting change is again topic and audience specific (resistant to automation).

This is a hard problem. Neither a brute force "human review squad" approach nor an automated "deep learning" approach will provide 100% coverage through all time. Does that mean that they shouldn't try? No, of course not, and they almost certainly try every day. However, it's inevitable that they will be subject to sniping articles no matter what they do.

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