So Google now gives her different results when she makes the same queries. Makes me wonder if this is when she is a logged in user, and what differences there exist between logged in users one to another and non logged in users. When I try it in both logged in and non-logged in mode I get reasonably similar results, the differences are mostly in the ordering. When I do the same on Bing I get about 20% or so pornograp…
Google Has a Striking History of Bias Against Black Girls
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#32>> What we know about Google’s responses to racial stereotyping in its products is that it typically denies responsibility or intent to harm, but then it is able to “tweak” or “fix” these aberrations or “glitches” in its systems.
Only Google knows the fate of the code base that has workarounds for all of these edge cases. I think the author is wrong that all of these edge cases could’ve been caught beforehand. Some sure, but I think others would always slip through.
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#33Google search results reflect what's in use on the web via PageRank and modern PageRank-like approximations. Google and its human staff does not apply human intellect to the problem of sorting, picking, and ranking each search result. Moreover, Google has included "Safe Search" features for several years that would remove these types of results from search. Before we condemn Google for the collective actions of the b…
PageRank is only a fraction of the total inputs to Google search. Once PageRank was described it was subject to being gamed at such a scale that it essentially destroyed the web, ironically making Google that much more a necessity.
> Google and its human staff does not apply human intellect to the problem of sorting, picking, and ranking each search result.
Yes they do. By tweaking the weights of certain output categories (such as evidenced in the article, a clear drop in the number of pornographic or semi pornographic results as a result of such a tweak) there is a large amount of influence exerted on the results.
> Moreover, Google has included "Safe Search" features for several years that would remove these types of results from search.
Safe search always was a weird one: You'd expect the opposite, a 'smut search' (Tom Lehrer would have a field day with that one).
> Before we condemn Google for the collective actions of the broader Internet community of websites (and the author's step of disabling Safe Search), we should take a moment to understand this point.
Before we invalidate the authors point by handwaving and purposefully injecting chaff into the conversation let's try to understand the actual point they are trying to make: That a query for an innocent term such as 'black girls' even with 'safe search off' should not result in a bunch of porn.
> Now, it is possible to create a search engine curated by humans or filters that remove objectionable content, and perhaps that approach might be desirable to some - a "MyGoogle" experience with search results customized based on Google's interpretation (or explicit settings) of the author's demographics, political beliefs, trigger words, and purchase history.
That's nothing to do with the authors point.
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#34Try searching Google Images for "brazilian". Her point is quite valid, and also well recognized in at least some part of the tech industry: when you "blindly" optimize for a certain audience, you risk picking up the biases of that audience. So, if you want to appeal to a broader audience than your current one, you might need to manually tune your system to remove some of the biases from your original audience. This i…
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#35So Google now gives her different results when she makes the same queries. Makes me wonder if this is when she is a logged in user, and what differences there exist between logged in users one to another and non logged in users. When I try it in both logged in and non-logged in mode I get reasonably similar results, the differences are mostly in the ordering. When I do the same on Bing I get about 20% or so pornograp…
I only get wholesome results for "black girls", so maybe Google already puts us in our own echo chambers regardless of the SafeSearch settings.
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#36Developers who train these models or algorithms should be very well aware that the training data is nothing but a download of a sexist, capitalist, racist - society and that bias if is carried forward - irrespective of anything the future isn't going to be clean!
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#37Do we know if Google or tech in general hires black women less than proportional to the US population?
We do, yes. https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/news/2016/06/30/google-d... > Women made up 31% of Google employees in 2015, up one percentage point since 2014, according to statistics released by the Internet giant on Thursday. One in five technical hires were women in 2015, raising the number of women in technical roles to 19% from 18% in 2014 and 17% in 2013. In 2015, women held nearly a quarter of leadership post…
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#38I think that implying intent on Google's part is going way too far.
Obviously search results, to a large extent, are going to reflect the society and culture of search engine users. If our society and culture are shitty, should search results pretend otherwise? I'm pretty sure that our society and culture are rife with institutionalized racism and sexism and a whole lot of other badness, and badness of search results seems to me to be a symptom rather than a cause.
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#39So Google now gives her different results when she makes the same queries. Makes me wonder if this is when she is a logged in user, and what differences there exist between logged in users one to another and non logged in users. When I try it in both logged in and non-logged in mode I get reasonably similar results, the differences are mostly in the ordering. When I do the same on Bing I get about 20% or so pornograp…