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If people want to lose weight, the worse advice you can give them is to "exercise to lose weight". Exercise has little to no effect on losing weight. You have to exercise at such a level of intensity and duration to make any meaningful difference that most people can't or won't do it. Losing weight is almost entirely about what you eat. As I said in another post, I was a part time fitness instructor for 12 years and…

I would disagree on this point. Although I am not very experienced in exercising, from time to time I start to jog or go to the gym for a couple of months and the only reason I do this is to get into shape; losing the weight was always a part of it. After all, there is a reason why thousands and thousands of people go to the gym only to lose weight. I'm not saying that exercising is only for this and of course it bri…

> After all, there is a reason why thousands and thousands of people go to the gym only to lose weight.

There are multiple reasons for that, but none of them are because it's the best way to lose weight. I used to think it was, and I've been going to the gym religiously for a couple of decades. I was always fit, but never lost the weight I wanted until recently when I discovered that eating less is the best way to lose weight. When I would go to the gym, I would compensate by eating more, which is why I never lost weight.

The high level bit, the primary action is exercise makes you stronger. Not exercising makes you weaker. Eating adds mass, not eating removes mass. It's so simple and symmetric, it just astounds me how long I believed that the primary way to get skinnier was to exercise.

I was afraid to eat less, and extremely resistant to counting calories (and I believe many many people are in the same boat). How many diets advertise being able to eat as much as you want of certain kinds of food and still lose weight? How many gym commericials advertise gyms for weight loss? Most gym ads sell gyms as a way to lose weight, most of society talks about gyms as a way to lose weight, it's no surprise that people think of the gym as a weight loss tool and as a way to avoid counting calories, or worse: being hungry.

The replacement technique in the article is exactly what I had to use to get over the fear of hunger. I had to figure out a way to mentally realize that my hunger meter was mis-calibrated, and that if I didn't feel a little bit hungry, then I was eating too much. I had to re-adjust to realize that not being hungry was a bad thing. This is opposite of feeling like I need willpower to overcome hunger.

> I cannot neglect the fact that after 3-4 months of gym I get in a perfect shape and lose 8 lbs minimum.

You're lucky; your eating is under control and you don't over-compensate when you work out. But many people do if they're not careful, which is why advising gym use for weight loss is usually ineffective (and can even damage some people's will and/or self image). Advising gym for getting stronger is great.

Re: To Change Habits, Try Replacement Instead

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Disclaimer: I am not a doctor and if you are suffering emotionally/mentally please seek professional help. ---- My anecdote: I used to frequently suffer from (undiagnosed) anxiety and depression. For about a year, I would respond to sudden anxiety by seeking comfort in various forms of isolation/depressed behavior (watch TV as a distraction, try to take a "nap", etc.). The most insidious thing about this was how it s…

I have a very similar experience.

I found that developing a routine of exercise is the only thing that has helped me with anxiety and depression. As a side effect, when you have a busy schedule, and you commit to working out in the morning (for instance) it leaves you little time for your bad habits (drinking at night or whatever).

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I understand and respect your attitude towards fitness, I think that's even better, because this way you are not concentrated on and irritated by the fact that it takes so long to get in shape. Everyone have their own goals when they start doing sports. For some it is improving the performance for others to lose the weight. Doing hundreds of different diets can be much more challenging then breaking into sweat and fo…

To lose 4 pounds a month just by exercising and if you keep your calorie intake the same, you would have to burn an extra 500 calories a day through exercise. That's about a 3 mile run. Assuming most people won't me able to run and will be doing a brisk walk, they can expect to burn about 280 calories an hour - almost 2 hours, 7 days a week. https://www.livestrong.com/article/300443-how-many-calories-... How many peo…

Well, isn't it individual for every person? Firstly, someone who weighs 141 lbs does not lose weight with the same intensity as someone with 220 lbs. Secondly, if one wants to lose weight by doing sports, he should be reasonable about this and not eat a bar of a chocolate after a 50 min run.

As I already said, I'm not a professional and I do speak from my personal experience. I don't have exact statistics either, I'd like to try and search for it though and post it here. I've found an interesting series of articles which I read just now, if you have interest or time you might want to skim through it, too:

http://sportsscientists.com/2010/01/exercise-and-weight-loss...

http://sportsscientists.com/2010/01/exercise-and-weight-loss...

Re: To Change Habits, Try Replacement Instead

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Regarding exercise, I may be able to provide some insight as I've gone through this transition over the past few years. Most likely, they're looking for the wrong benefits: As a society, we tend to center our advice to overweight people around "losing weight." It's a useful long-term diagnostic, but terrible as a day-to-day guide. The maximum safe rate of weight loss is 1-2 lbs/week, but your weight can easily fluctu…

Good point. It's an important factor. If I may add one pinch of advice though: it's also important not to run for pleasure only, that's the reason people are overweight in the first place; eating on a couch is 100% pleasure. Some times you have to overcome a pain barrier. And very often in life it is so. Not to turn people into masochists but it's important to know.

>eating on a couch is 100% pleasure

It's not that simple. For example, humans can indulge and feel guilty at the same time. We're complicated beasts.

Re: To Change Habits, Try Replacement Instead

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post #121

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I would disagree on this point. Although I am not very experienced in exercising, from time to time I start to jog or go to the gym for a couple of months and the only reason I do this is to get into shape; losing the weight was always a part of it. After all, there is a reason why thousands and thousands of people go to the gym only to lose weight. I'm not saying that exercising is only for this and of course it bri…

> After all, there is a reason why thousands and thousands of people go to the gym only to lose weight. There are multiple reasons for that, but none of them are because it's the best way to lose weight. I used to think it was, and I've been going to the gym religiously for a couple of decades. I was always fit, but never lost the weight I wanted until recently when I discovered that eating less is the best way to lo…

I very much agree with many points you've mentioned. I've never said it is the best way to lose weight and I'm sorry if I misled you.

My response was to the comment above; I will just quote the last part of it :"There are a lot of good reasons to exercise that should be emphasized but so wouldn't even mention "weight loss" as one of them." My point was to say, that exercising can help you lose weight. I'm not saying a lot, or easily, nothing is easy when it comes losing the weight, I struggle all the time, but sports is one of the ways to do this if you do it reasonably, trying not to overeat, etc.

Re: To Change Habits, Try Replacement Instead

#126
post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Regarding exercise, I may be able to provide some insight as I've gone through this transition over the past few years. Most likely, they're looking for the wrong benefits: As a society, we tend to center our advice to overweight people around "losing weight." It's a useful long-term diagnostic, but terrible as a day-to-day guide. The maximum safe rate of weight loss is 1-2 lbs/week, but your weight can easily fluctu…

If people want to lose weight, the worse advice you can give them is to "exercise to lose weight". Exercise has little to no effect on losing weight. You have to exercise at such a level of intensity and duration to make any meaningful difference that most people can't or won't do it. Losing weight is almost entirely about what you eat. As I said in another post, I was a part time fitness instructor for 12 years and…

Agreed, but there's an exception in my personal experience. If you start commuting by riding a bicycle, you can easily get 5-10 hours a week at around 70% max heart rate (average).

Of course it's difficult to motivate yourself to start and to keep at it. If the distance is long, you probably can't completely change to riding in one go due to excess fatigue, and if it's short it won't be effective. And of course it will take months to lose any significant amount of weight, just like any other way.

When I started this on a 22km commute I didn't want to lose weight, but I literally ate as much as I could and still lost some.

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When training animals, particularly dogs, it's (I think) pretty well-known that redirecting to positive behaviors is much more effective than punishing unwanted behaviors (so much so that one could say "punishment does not work at all compared to redirecting to desired behaviors" without much exaggeration). i.e. when a dog chews on a sofa cushion, put a dog chew in their mouth or direct them to go get their toy or ch…

I do agree with your statement, but it's the idealistic approach and sometimes not effective at all. A big problem with the dogs (as observed in humans, too) is that if they don't see a leader in you, they are going to take this position over. I've had 4 dogs in my lifetime and I've tried different approaches with all of them, because they all had different characters, but one thing I did with all of them: I was stri…

I think this is a result of not having suitable substitutes TBH (from my personal experience).

Re: To Change Habits, Try Replacement Instead

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post #6

Disclaimer: I am not a doctor and if you are suffering emotionally/mentally please seek professional help. ---- My anecdote: I used to frequently suffer from (undiagnosed) anxiety and depression. For about a year, I would respond to sudden anxiety by seeking comfort in various forms of isolation/depressed behavior (watch TV as a distraction, try to take a "nap", etc.). The most insidious thing about this was how it s…

> It took me about a year to recognize this pattern, but eventually I learned to catch myself whenever I was seeking this form of comfort Most of the advice from self-help books can be condensed into this line - Recognizing a pattern and catching yourself. Only after this in place can a behavior/habit be replaced. Or improved. Or removed. If there is no self-awareness, changing behavior/habit is infinitely more diffi…

_The Power of Habit_ helped me understand it isn't just catching yourself, but catching yourself in the right place. The book calls discusses keystone habits. ([0] has some digital overview a the beginning)

I think finding those keystone habits is difficult. GP figured it out, great!

If you haven't figured yours out, I recommend continuing to observe and try different reactions to triggers, thoughts, feelings, etc.

[0]: https://www.huffingtonpost.com/rl-adams/6-keystone-habits-to...

Re: To Change Habits, Try Replacement Instead

#129

I bit my nails unconsciously for 15 years. Constantly bleeding and got to the point where my thumbnails were gone and I thought they wouldn’t ever grow back. I got braces for my teeth, the biting immediately stopped, and my nails grew back to perfect condition in a few months. In dealing with the discomfort of braces, I developed a habit of pushing my tongue against my teeth which completely replaced my nail biting h…

I bit my nails for about 18 years, was not until I saw someone with horrible nails that I decided I needed to stop. I replaced it with taking care of my nails and now I file them more than most people to keep them in great shape and to avoid biting.

I'm the same way, if they get past a certain length, I start biting because they compulsively annoy me.

Re: To Change Habits, Try Replacement Instead

#130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Good point. It's an important factor. If I may add one pinch of advice though: it's also important not to run for pleasure only, that's the reason people are overweight in the first place; eating on a couch is 100% pleasure. Some times you have to overcome a pain barrier. And very often in life it is so. Not to turn people into masochists but it's important to know.

>eating on a couch is 100% pleasure It's not that simple. For example, humans can indulge and feel guilty at the same time. We're complicated beasts.

True, it's amazing when you think no no no no but yet you do it.
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