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To pretend that any of the things said about GIMP in this thread are "baseless" are to stick your head in the sand.
Fair enough. _Most_ things said about GIMP in this thread are complete and utter made-up bullshit that won't stand fact-checking. How about that? Better? :)
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Did you stop to think that perhaps GIMP's developers are in fact its users? I'm an engineer and I draw as a hobby. I don't mind developer-oriented features in my drawing program. If I wanted Photoshop, I would be using that.
> Did you stop to think that perhaps GIMP's developers are in fact its users? GIMP's users aren't the handful of developers who develop GIMP. GIMP's users would be people that switch to Linux and are looking for an alternative to Photoshop. GIMP is for some reason referred to them as the go-to for image manipulation on Linux so they try it, and when they can't use it they either install Photoshop via Wine or go back…
Try adding a text line, then editing it. See if you still want to recommend Pinta.
I absolutely love the idea of having a simple image editor for users who don't need most GIMP features. Pinta devs got quite a few things right, but it needs SO much more work...
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> I feel almost sorry about wasting my time replying you, because you can't even read the first two paragraphs in the release notes. That's not very nice, uh? I don't think I offended anyone here. However, I don't have to wrap my head around anything, because my point is that I don't think GIMP's developer's priority are in line with its users. I have hardly seen anyone complain about GIMP's bugs and stability proble…
> However, I don't have to wrap my head around anything, because my point is that I don't think GIMP's developer's priority are in line with its users. Let's see. Did users ask for 16-/32-bit per channel editing? Yes. Done in 2.10. Did users ask for a tool that would combine rotation, scaling etc.? By gods, they did! Done in 2.10. Did users ask for canvas rotation/flipping? My, didn't they just! Done in 2.10. Did use…
It's ancient and of academic interest only, but here[1]'s a bug report where people ask for a single-window mode and are told it's impossible and undesirable. It stayed open for seven years before being WONTFIXed in 2008. I guess this might be before your time on the project, and of course things have changed since then, but I think this might the sort of thing that led to the GIMP team's reputation for user-indifference.
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I agree with you, and it's disappointing people are downvoting you. I ended up having beers with several core GIMP developers a few years ago, and they outright stated that improving usability was not a goal for them, in fact they would rather not have the burden of users who expected it to be easier to use. Speaking for myself, I've found other graphics programs were very intuitive and helped me be very creative, ye…
Is GimpShop still actively maintained to keep up with the latest Gimp (the Gimpshot site is a little vague on these details)? Didn't that provide a decent migration path for PhotoShop users to GIMP?
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That’s all well and good, but if GIMP is targeting devs first who are also artists, Linux remains an OS without an image editor targeted at artists first. IMO that’s an important hole in the software library that prevents wider adoption.
Krita ( https://krita.org ) is 12 years old, and just released version 4.0 last week. HN comments: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16647445
No, it's not :)
"At the 31st of May, 1999, the KImageShop project officially kicked off with a mail by Matthias Elter."
From the very website you linked to :)
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> It's a bit of a dilemma, isn't it. I like free software. It doesn't have to be free as in price. Various small free software developers are supported by its users, e.g. Liberapay / Patreon / Tipeee. Various things were contributed by ZeMarmot. This project is supported by its users using above methods. > We really need more interdisciplinary developers and free software enthusiasts. It seems just having people cont…
Isn't that just the subscription model that everyone here decries? That's what JetBrains went to, and people here were calling for their heads.
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So performance tools are fine, as long as they are hard to find (=not user-facing)? And the percentage of users that would want them has to live with worse access to them to not scare the others with an extra menu entry?
Yes. The more commonly used features are, the more prominent they should be in the UI. If not, the "Compose" or "Send" button in email clients should be as big as "view connection details" (to give you an example). That's how you reduce clutter. GIMP does that horribly, so they should probably _remove_ something, not add.
Come on, get a grip on yourself.
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Close to a decade ago. But I haven't noticed any usability improvements. I feel like the time spent with GIMP was time wasted compared to other software where I could easily get what I needed done yet progressively gained aptitude for productivity and creativity. vim for example supports this. This is not to completely slam GIMP, it can be fine for software to demand users learn it deeply before doing simple things (…
Yeah, I think GIMP has this "open source best in class" status that it maybe deserved ~20 years ago but now it's kind of punching above its weight in terms of popularity. That said, I actually think the current devs are doing good work, usability has totally improved and I'm somewhat optimistic that once this big, important, multi-year development branch is out of the door we'll see continued improvements.
I get your point about having to wait for 7 years, but let's just scroll down to the bottom:
https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7379#c118
"...we should finally close this report as WONTFIX. This has been discussed to dead and there are plans for a user interface that will solve the problems that the MDI approach is supposed to solve."
and then:
"We are currently working on changes to the user interface that will solve the problems that the MDI approach is supposed to address. Window-in-window is definitely not part of this plan. It's not going to happen."
So it wasn't just closed as WONTFIX, it was closed as WONTFIX, because users requested MDI, and instead tabbed interface was introduced.
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Krita ( https://krita.org ) is 12 years old, and just released version 4.0 last week. HN comments: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16647445
> Krita ( https://krita.org ) is 12 years old No, it's not :) "At the 31st of May, 1999, the KImageShop project officially kicked off with a mail by Matthias Elter." From the very website you linked to :)
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Yeah, but it's 20 years of Adobe , which is not a company that I highly respect. IMHO there is a good chunk of Photoshop's interface that is the way it is mostly for legacy reasons. Some random programmer thought the feature would be good in buried down in this dialog box off of a vaguely related menu option and it has lived their ever since.
Adobe is a pretty great company I would think..? Regardless, I can actually scale objects easily by dragging in Photoshop, at least.